Yeah.. that's OK, but you're using your wife as a comfort blanket you can return to when the little fling has ended... I feel sorry for your wife. Marriage may not be for life nowadays, but honesty hasn't changed and if you feel confident you can pull women, then you don't need to be in the safety of a marriage to do so... I think that's all everyone has mean't

I thought the underlying principle of the Game was to leave a woman better than you found her.. and that includes your wife.. I think you need to rethink the underlying principles there rick

Has anyone helped this man out yet? I think that the gaming might be a little different, is she married as well?

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Just read the topic title.

If she's smokin' hot you can't open her directly, she's accustomed to all these guys hitting on her. But my favorite opener should work in your situation: "Hey, don't look at me the way fat child looks at cheeseburger". Then in convo just find out what is her marriage like with good old BF destroyer "Tell me, what is it like to be in perfect relationship?". As someone said, 'whatever he's not, you are'. But the main point is, NOT open her directly, you don't know what are her views on marriage.

And guys, stop being pussies. You are not going to prison for cheating.

Salut!

Surielx.

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It's not to do with being illegal, it's to do with the moral aspect of things.

Why not just man up, accept that his marriage is duff, divorce and then shag away til his knob falls off? Take responsibility for your actions.

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Listen guys.. can we just get off my marriage.. it is a unique situation that does not need to be scrutinized.. .. in the mean time I have opened her. now i just need not f'it up.. opened her on Friday!!. i will post details later..
but here is the deal.. she was driving by me this morning after drop off.. stopped and rolled down window to talk with NO prompting from me.. I wasn't prepared.. just said .. off to work.. and workout.. to her asking me hat i am up to.. I asked her.. she said going home!!. I gave her a look and said "exciting" .. then asked are you getting here early.. she said 'im gonna try' and i said good see you then.. and drove off.!

It's good that conversation is going and that , assuming your opening went well, you are headed in the right direction. Now you can't be unprepared in situations like this. If you want to take the next step - and from your posting here it seems like you do - you need to have a plan as to how to follow-up.

With married MILFs it's all about deniability. She's unlikely to jump you immediately (but it could happen and you should be prepared for it). More likely she is going to want o build up the comfort level to the point where things just happen - so ... in the event that she has free time, you ought to slowly build up the comfort level so that she can see that you are discreet and that you are reliable.

Next time the conversation of having someplace to go comes up - be prepared. If you can't meet on a certain day, it's okay - that DHV with having other things to do, but conversely if you are always busy, you're not going to make a good lover if you are always unavailable. Have at least one day a week with some flexibility - so you can say "Let's grab (coffee/drinks/a bite together) on (insert day / time here)" Make it a location that you know and are familar with. Just say it like it is a completely normal thing for two married people to do - it will only be ackward if you make it so ... and if you're feeling especially Alpha, throw in the expectation that you expect a big hug when you see meet in person.

Then when you do meet - be prepared to amp up the attraction with some push / pull. And if things are going really well, be prepared to extract and close. Or feel free to end early and show that you can walk away. The latter is always more interesting for me. It's amazing how walking away from a primed MILF can make her putty in your hands when you go back the next time ...

Waiting to hear about your opening and any more progress that you've made ...

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Everyone really needs to stop taking control of this shit, men get tired of one thing big deal are we here to help, or are we here to bitch about this man's life. If it's the later gtfo of the forum and go join an "adultery crime association".

Look sir for your unique situation I believe your best bet is to game her like normal, and like you don't even know or recognize she's married, set up a play date with your kids and hope you can have her come over when the wife is out at sometime, don't fill her up with drinks but take it slow and just warm it up after a while.

Everyone really needs to stop taking control of this shit, men get tired of one thing big deal are we here to help, or are we here to bitch about this man's life. If it's the later gtfo of the forum and go join an "adultery crime association".

Look sir for your unique situation I believe your best bet is to game her like normal, and like you don't even know or recognize she's married, set up a play date with your kids and hope you can have her come over when the wife is out at sometime, don't fill her up with drinks but take it slow and just warm it up after a while.

I agree with Fender43. We're not here to judge, we're here to share our knowledge as lovers of the Game. It's rule 2 of this forum. Don't flame, we're here to be helpful.

I don't know if you want to use your kids as a set-up, but try to appear like a caring father without trying too hard (it'll seem creepy to everyone) and run a subtle boyfriend destroyer. I reckon the key is to take it slow.

Thanks guys.. bout time to get to the nitty gritty..
Here is the update.. i opened her!!!> it went awesome.. but now i am failing i want to keep up that sexual tension.. but conversations are getting boring.. and they are just on the street/parking lot talking into her window..
now she makes point to stop and talk to me. every chance
and she TALKS.... and TALKS.. i don't have to do much.. but i don't want to be her sounding board..
so i am now at the point where i want to get her out of the car.. and somewhere where i can lay into her (in conversations).
do i ask her..
or make her ask me!. How do i do that. .
was thinking of saying look i am busy wed and thurs.. but your free to buy me lunch on friday!
or should i go farther and say .. we can get together on friday.. for lunch coffee mind numbing sex.. or .. .. oops did i say that out loud.. oh well .
start with lunch!.
how is that..
or do i just say .. look lets get together on friday for lunch if you can get away?

is it ok to 'adamant' i am hitting on her.. example.. i say look your not gonna go up to my wife and say 'hi ya know your husbands great.. he's been hitting on me for 2 days..' .. or some shit like that..

I think you want to completely ignore the fact that either of you is married. Just make sure you enjoy each other's company and that you take a reasonable amount of opportunity to do so. So keep talking to her, maybe get some lunch, just let it slowly escalate. I'm not sure if you should talk about the relationships at all, she might not have a good one, but if she does it might work against you if you know. Let it continue, let her know you enjoy talking to her (and reward her if she does!) and steadily increase kino.

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MysteryHyde.. thanks man got this too late.. I don't know if i majorly fucked up..
Basically walked up and started talking to her through window.. she started yammering.. on and on i don't even know what she was saying.. .. she went on for a while would make some directional changes.. every now and then..
just trying to figure out how to get her out of the car and somewhere else.. coffee whatever..
so after she babbled i am nervous as shit.. and just trying to watch her.. she was doing all sorts of ioi.. at least i thought it was.. moving hair out of face. fixing clothes.. make sure she is faced right at me.. big ol smile... lots of teeth and smiling eyes.. and alway dead on deep eye contact!!. always.. i never turn .. unless something in environment happened to look at.. then more talk...
here is where i don't know if i f'ed up.. cause i had to go get my kid i was out of time.. so i said F'it .. I have been telling her i am busy on wed and thurs.. .. so when i was about to walk away .. I said in dead serious tone.. 'look i may not be here next 2 days.. don't be seeing my wife and going up to her saying.. hi i know your husband. .he's been hitting on me for a few days'... Her. STUTTER uh .."your not hitting on me just chitin:" Me: Look out side of eyes.. with a smile. "yeah just chatting.. right!. of course I am hitting on you!" .. Her -- short-circuits.. not in a bad way just in an embarrassed way... looks down with big smile. bright RED blushing.. she says.. "i cant do that to your wife" ME .. something like don't worry bout that your not doing anything.. ME" Look . . you are .. and she finished shiny! I say VERY SHINY" (been calling her that every now and then) then i say ."but there is more to you than that.. look i don't make a habit of this.. there is just something about you... you interesting.. " she i am interesting I never thought that.. .. and I say look we should get coffee on friday.. Her " i don't think my husband would like that.. I am a good girl and don't want to cause problems.. i don't need problems.. " I say look its just coffee.. Ill talk to you tomorrow..
and i walk away..
am i fucked
what do i do if she 'avoids' me cause she is scared.
I KNOW she is in to me.. she doesn't 'chat' with anyone else there.. she doesn't wave to them as she had been doing before we talked..
so what do you guys think where do i go from here

Im glad that I am able to help before it is too late; yes it is not too late. First off, you have been doing very good; you only need some damage control now. The only adjustment that I would have done (you should consider this for later endeavors) is to not let the conversations drag. You have to leave the interactions when they are in their high points instead of staying there just listening to her speak.

But overall you have done a stupendous job. I would advise you to be careful and be discrete with your approaches--remember that you have your wife and child to lose if you tread uncautiously (and I just say this because of reality not because I am judging you like these other "indoctrinated moralists"). So now you need to do some damage control because she knows that you want her and will need to be careful around you. By continuing talking with her innocently, she will backwards rationalize it as she must really like you (or she would have cut you off).

In your shoes, I would apologize for your unaccepted advance and simply blame it on her effect on you and troubles in your marriage. Say something like, I apologize for coming on to you last X, it is just that I have had these problems with my wife and you are so intriguing to me. Be the victim and have her assist you (that could be a reason for your date).

You seem alpha enough that you can pull something like this off and still be very attractive to her. That will give her the deniability that she needs to be with you (she will want to help and you will have ulterior motives).

You have to make it obvious to her that any pleasures with you will be with impunity. She may want you, but she will not sacrifice her relationship for it. Make it clear to her that you do not want to harm her (and you should not want to either). Enjoy each other and live your lives without consequences. That would intrigue her--but you have to demonstrate to her that you are discrete and no one will know about your tryst.

Good luck mate...

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Awseome thank you.. im just gonna have to bust through whatever wall she may have put up now to protect her self..
one interesteting thing i noticed was all her objections.. where about others .. not us.. or her. "I can't do that to your wife" and "i don't think my husband would like that" .
is that good.. i am assuming it was good.. if i can get her back to comfortable zone.. should i ask her.. 'you say this" but what about YOU.? how do you see it for YOU
i am shitting brick.. this morning.. i just hope she doesn't totally flake and try to avoid me. something tells me she wont.. but ya never know with women...