Ok, I think I have mentioned in another post, that out of all of the girls I am seeing, there is one... One, I value the most. Now I know most of you will SCREAM oneitis. And I guess you can say that, because I have invested a lot in her. At least a lot more than what most of you recommend. However, I am not affected by the effects of oneitis... The desperation, the obsession, the insecurity, etc... On the contrary, I feel very comfortable with this girl, we really click you know. In fact, most of my game with her was easy... Simply because of our natural compatibility. Now I do recognize that shes not completely unique, there are others like her out there... Just harder to find, but if I did it once, I can do it again. However, her rarity puts things on the line quite a bit more, its like a gamble now.

Now that that is out the way... Time for the field report.

Ok, so I have been gaming this girl for quite a while, as usual with my style, I do slow game, build things up slowly, but surely. This has taught me a few things about my style, its strengths, its weaknesses, its drawbacks, etc... So it began as usual with me, meet a cute girl at academy, use the 30 mins (really its one hour, but the boss aint counting, cute girls always get an extra long class ) of class to build rapport and score a day2 and number. Easy stuff. Day 2, as usual took it slow, mostly rapport and whatnot, create a bond and start with the basic kino, also DHV tons. We were supposed to go to a play (Les Miserables) but I arrived (purposely) late (an old trick my dad showed me) and thus missed the play... Oh well, so we switched for the classic movie/dinner... Still, in the end, it went rather well.

Well from here on out, we would just chat on facebook, and during class, also here interest in me is clear. Tow things, one, every night, I get on facebook (and still to this very day, she always opens to me, and we talk till 3am). Second, at the academy where I work, the system we have is made so that every time the student has class its with a different teacher, however, after I showed her she can manipulate the system to choose any teacher she wants (while suggesting myself as her teacher of choice, of course), she has had class exclusively with me. In fact, these days I get the impression, that she comes in just to see me. The only exceptions to these last to two statements have been when I have done the opposite, to show her that I have a life outside of her, and other important things other than her.

Now, heres where things get... interesting. Ok, so before X-mas break. We were talking about our plans during class. And she "casually" mentioned that she was going to Monaco to see her boyfriend. Now when she did this, I took it as a shit test, and thus didn't believe her statement, especially considering her previous actions. But still, I played along. So I told her to have a great time in Monaco, blah, blah blah, AND I asked her if she knew about "Rocks vs. Gold" she said she didn't. So, I told her that I would leave her with that, that it was an important aspect of a healthy relationship, and a simple concept people must know about. I told her to ask her bf in Monaco about it when she went to visit him. So over X-mas break, she would get online from time to time to pester me about it. Saying her bf didnt know about it, and that she REALLY wanted to know, that she had looked it up online, and couldnt find an answer, and it was driving her mad. I told her I would only tell her in person. And... that I would show her the cube as well. So that was my first attempt at a bf destroyer. At that time I still assumed she was just pulling my leg about the bf thing (whats she doing talking to me on facebook for hours when she could be fucking her bf?).

So she gets back, i tell her what it means, and show her the cube, by which she is completely fascinated by (honestly great gimmick, i personally support natural game, but this is one of those few things that I use simply bc it works). So more DHV. So as things continue, they also continue to escalate, however scoring a day 3 becomes tricky simply due to logistics. So I dont see her out of class, and most of my game is forced to grow through net game. Still I escalate through sexual talk and make sure to build rapport, family issues also allow me to really create a bond with her. Eventually, I suggest that she HAS to meet me out of class and net for two reasons, one I tell her that the time we spend talking online could easily be spent in real life, in a more meaningful convo. And I suggested that I was her source of good luck (she told me she has bad luck all the time, blah blah, shes a big believer in fate and whatnot, which makes things a bit easier for me). And she tells me I'm right, that shes gonna start "clinging to me like a koala," to get some of my luck. Which earned her her nickname as well. So eventually I get a day 3 and a day 4 (today).

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Now things really start to escalate. Heavier kino, more personal conversations, comfort. And I see serious signs of attraction from her. During one of our chats (online) she had even told me that she really enjoyed talking about sex with me, that it made her feel really good, but also really horny right before going to bed, and that i was an asshole for that. However, with some restrictions.

So, now that I have you updated with everything time for the field report. So the thought of her bf has been looming over me now more than ever. Now she hasn't straight up mentioned him in a threatening matter, but she has mentioned him, and the signs that she has one, little by little become more clear. However, he IS a long distance bf. And it kills me, as k-closing CAN be hard for me sometimes, and it this case it puts a lot at risk, however, I have reached the point where the only way I can escalate further is by doing so, so that puts me at ease. Because this also tells me that I can do it. So day 4, today, I ran my first ever pattern.... The Rose Pattern. I did it to seal the deal. To REALLY tie her emotions to me. I know its a dangerous pattern, but this is a case, where its worth trying it out. I also tried another bf destroyer. We started talking about relationships, and I mentioned how long distance relationships, at least not any i have ever seen or heard of never of Unless they where headed for marriage. At first she told me, oh no, now dont tell me that, and tried to defend it a bit, but I swayed her when I mentioned that attraction NEEDS kinesthetic touch and physical contact to exist. To which she agreed, and added that it makes things very difficult, because ---it is possible to meet someone really special, and not be able to advance with that person----. I agreed and told her that one can miss really unique of opportunities when in a long term relationship, and that in the end both partners will only find themselves unhappy. So after this, we spent like 2 hours in her car, talking, I ran a kiss test, but she turned away and blushed. Still, she gave me a massive Doggie Dinner Bowl Look, when I told her that I aspire to better myself in every way possible, that all of my flaws I will try to overcome, and that to me life is a learning exp. and I'm not afraid to take leaps of faith. We talked, and I'm not sure if it was the pattern I ran or w/e but this night, she really opened up to me. I mean she told me things she says, she tells to very few people, insecurities, her past etc... So like I said.... definite attraction. I have made sure that every moment I have spent with her, has been spectacular. Truly unique, I have managed to stand out from the crowd as a once in a lifetime kinda guy. And even emphasized our compatibility, to which she agrees. I have done future pacing, deep rapport, just about everything I can think of, and most if it has come naturally. You could say I would have this in the bag.... If it wasn't for the damned boyfriend. I need to really pull things apart if I wanna make her mine.

In my opinion, I think she REALLY likes me, but for moral reasons or whatever, she can't let herself go because of the bf. Especially based on that key thing she told me, about long distance relationships.

I can tell she likes me, its obvious for me. Hell as I wrote this, she sent me a text simply to tell me how much she enjoyed our night out, and our talk, and that she wished it could have lasted longer. I need a really powerful boyfriend destroyer to really seal the deal, i dunno what do you guys think. I'm like an inch away from victory.

I feel like I just gotta make the right move and check mate. The pattern SHOULD kick in eventually as well, but either way. No matter what I do, her attraction for me will continue to increase, the more I see her, the more she likes me, and the more she seeks my attention. No ignoring her and what not isnt gonna work, imo thats a punishment. I have shown her that I am willing to walk away, and have suggested AND demonstrated competition. What do you guys suggest? Gimme some feedback.

Anyways, cheers, and g-night. Long day tom.

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I really see a bunch of mistakes into all that.

First of all, you flaked a theatre play on purpose? That is ridiculous, lol at your dad... above all because you went for dinner and movie instead?!?, it is the worse day2 ever, everybody does that! You should take her somewhere fun! And also, dinner and movie, where is the kino? It is impossible to kino in the dinner + movie! No kino, no party, my friend.

It looks like you're totaly in the LJBF zone. Taking things slow is almost never a good idea.
She is very very comfortable with you but very few attraction (come on men, you should have gone escalating with the kino!).
The kiss close HAS to be sealed in the day2, and NOT at the end of it, but in the middle.
This put things clear from the beginning. you're not there to comfort her, you're not her friend, you're not there to take her vents.
You're there to f-close her.

If you planned to take two weeks to k-close, you had the wrong plan...

P.S. The cube is not a bf destroyer.
You know what is a very good bf destroyer? Doing with her things that the bf does not, being special and make her feel differently from what she has. Dinner and movie? Come on, think more fun!
This is not the definition of attraction, men. this is the definition of comfort. Too much comfort = LJBF.
Attraction is a completely different thing...

Alright, first off i didnt flake on the theatre, i just got there late and therefore missed out on it... dinner and a movie just kinda happened... yeah shit beginning for a day2 but w/e, the dinner at the jap restaurant made up for it. As for the arriving late thing, its just something i do these days, it was an old tip from my dad, show up late and make her wait for you... It really pushes their buttons and demonstrates that you are not some sappy pushover.
when did i say didnt kino escalate, on the day2, and havent continued to do so as things went on... also, with usual sex talk and what not, and teasing and flirting its should be obvious that i dont see her as a friend. thats not the vibe i have been putting out
yeah this is generally true, but it doesnt HAVE to be on day 2, i have f-closed other girls w/o the need of a k close untill we are having sex, sorry bro but everyone has different styles, mine is the one that works for me, its worked before and will continue to do so, its also the one im most comfortable with...


yeah i think i mentioned that i have made sure i came across and a one of a kind kind of guy to her... honestly with this one it was really easy, she brings out the best in me realy easily, so if she chooses to not take the offer... her fucking loss, not many girls have seen many of those sides she has
This is not the definition of attraction, men. this is the definition of comfort. Too much comfort = LJBF.
Attraction is a completely different thing...[/quote]

never did i say that THAT was THE definition of attraction, all i did was give you one example, i seriously doubt that a girl would open up so much so quickly to someone shes know for a few weeks.

also, i wanna point out, you cant ever have TOO much comfort, just not enough attraction, i seriously doubt im in any danger of being LJBF by this girl, its not the vibe im picking up, still, i should push things more in my direction in the coming days


Anyways, your post is is true in a few things:

I need more attraction, i have DHVd, i have created tons of rapport, etc... i have pretty much shown all of the logical reasons as to why im the better choice, and i did work with the emotions a bit, especially with that pattern... I have planted the seeds. However, now i gotta take things to the next level, more aggressive, more bold. I gotta play more with her impulses and her emotions, but really stress that "it just kinda happened" kinda attitude in her, bc of the bf, if i THROW myself at her, its not gonna work. I gotta build up tons of attraction, more than i have now, until things explode.

Talking to someone, they pointed out that, im pretty much there to fill the gap her BF isnt filling. Because hes not there, however, without the full deal, why? because she has him for security, honestly it makes perfect sense...

So, what do i do? I feel the best approach is to create a dependance on me... an addiction to me being there.... and then start taking it away. Or demonstrate competition, w/e leave her for a while.... However i have to plant the seeds...


The approach i was thinking of was Stealth Attraction, that subtle subcomunication that really voices out powerful messages, and creates sexual tension.... yeah, i think thats the best way to push things higher...

Also as for the k close, you are right, its gotta happen soon, but i cant go for it direct with something lame like "do you wanna kiss me?" it aint gonna work like that... I thought of something that a girl actually used on ME once... I call it kiss escalation... There are certain kinds of kisses that are seen as less romantic and more acceptable. Like on the cheek, the forehead, the nose, etc... Here in Europe the kiss/kiss on the cheek is very common, and yeah, i have already started to hold them a bit longer, and closer to her lips, the rest is just escalate more and more, kino like you said, but stronger... much stronger than arms around waist, hand on her knee, elbow, spanking her, holding her hands, etc... like i have been doing. I gotta take things higher, create more sexual tension... THAT i believe, is the key, and yeah. I can def. do this....




Anyways more feedback guys, lemme know what you think


Also, to thefuckingitalian, when did i say the cube was my bf destroyer?? my bf destroyer was the rocks vs gold, i planted a seen for over xmas break, and it drove her mad, she spent her break thinking about what i told her, doubting her bf, and talking to me to get me to tell her.... in other words, her focus was me and not him even though she was in HIS presence and not mine


I know that because im starting to like this girl, and play the slow game i sounds kinds noobish... but dont underestimate me man.... im not a novice


anyways, cheers [/quote]

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You dont "sound" noobish, you're acting noobish!
I think you're not seeing the mistakes you're making.
It looks like you're not posting this for a discussion, but rather for a core approval of the other members.

If you want that, no problem.

You've done everything right, dude. Continue like this and she'll be yours.

Anyway.

How is "gold vs rocks" a bf destroyer?

Dude, i dont know what your fucking problem is.... Every single post you have made has been to attack me, my style, and my method... You have not offered a single word of advice, all you have done is criticize, and normally im open for criticism, as long as its constructive (and hell, sometimes when its not).

You are hellbent on the fact that the way YOU game is the only way to do things. Dude, PUA is like water, it has no concrete shape, everyone does things their own way and in their own style. Mystery does magic, Ross uses NLP, Gambler Stealth, I was always of the idea, that in PUA you had to find what works for you to create your own style of pick up, one that you can fluidly work in, and follows your goals and ideals. I mean, as long as you get the results you want, then it doesnt matter so much HOW you get there, thats the beauty of it, you then retell your exp to the community in order to contribute to the whole of it. Yet, for some reason, you keep trying to push your mentality on my, by saying that the way i have approached things is all wrong, that shit wont work out... Yet you offer no advice. You simply criticize. Whether I did things wrong or not, I dont know for sure, it currently doesnt seem like it. But there is only one way to find out. Thats for certain. If it doesnt work out, well i take my loses, and learn from this exp.


Anyways, please man, quit embarrassing yourself, you honestly strike me as a typical keyboard jokey, all theory and no exp... Next time you post. Please try and offer some useful advice. I came here looking for second opinions on a possible way to approach this, and some criticism on the steps I plan to take (my second post), so at least try and contribute, otherwise, quit wasting my time.



Cheers

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Dude, i dont know what your fucking problem is.... Every single post you have made has been to attack me, my style, and my method... You have not offered a single word of advice, all you have done is criticize, and normally im open for criticism, as long as its constructive (and hell, sometimes when its not).

You are hellbent on the fact that the way YOU game is the only way to do things. Dude, PUA is like water, it has no concrete shape, everyone does things their own way and in their own style. Mystery does magic, Ross uses NLP, Gambler Stealth, I was always of the idea, that in PUA you had to find what works for you to create your own style of pick up, one that you can fluidly work in, and follows your goals and ideals. I mean, as long as you get the results you want, then it doesnt matter so much HOW you get there, thats the beauty of it, you then retell your exp to the community in order to contribute to the whole of it. Yet, for some reason, you keep trying to push your mentality on my, by saying that the way i have approached things is all wrong, that shit wont work out... Yet you offer no advice. You simply criticize. Whether I did things wrong or not, I dont know for sure, it currently doesnt seem like it. But there is only one way to find out. Thats for certain. If it doesnt work out, well i take my loses, and learn from this exp.


Anyways, please man, quit embarrassing yourself, you honestly strike me as a typical keyboard jokey, all theory and no exp... Next time you post. Please try and offer some useful advice. I came here looking for second opinions on a possible way to approach this, and some criticism on the steps I plan to take (my second post), so at least try and contribute, otherwise, quit wasting my time.



Cheers

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"Be the change you wanna see in the world" -Gandhi

You've already assumed everything you've done is right.
And everything you will do will be right.

So, why do you need an advice?

I agree with you, there are different methods, that doenst mean that you didnt do any mistake.

Also, I'm not attacking anyone here, I'm just expressing my opinion. Maybe I sound rude, but I cant convey any funny vibe from the keyboad...

Maybe some smiles? here you go:

The only thing that I'm actually telling you is this: pay attention to your feelings because you think this is not a one-itis, but it really sound like it actually is.

I think the first big step you can take is to recognize that this is kinda of a one-itis, and take the countermeasures...

This is not an attack, everybody has been there (you wouldn't be human otherwise), just dont pretend this thing is not what it actually is...

It was too long to read. But LG distance bf can be easily countered. I do believe that the LJBF zone could be avoided. Assuming you have played your cards right so far, you can try to act a lil hard to get and have a life beyond that girl. Meet others, take her to a party and then switch talking to other girls, do all the dirty tricks wi them and basically ditch her.

This is what happened to be last sat. I number closed a girl. and she invited me to hang wi her friends. I went with a friend. I made a mistake, I tried to stick to her since I was curious about her. But she mentioned indirectly that she din't wanna get into dating etc. --> switch gears, the next moment i was busy convincing a blonde that I work @ obama's office. haha. The next day this girl texts me apologizing for not paying me attention. Jealousy and not being easy and hard to get are powerful tools. Use them wisely and make physical moves. The fear of losing something makes you actually lose it.

All the best.!

Pickasso.

I agree, it is a kind of oneitis, i like her.... more than the others, nuff said, play with fire get burned. Thats more than enough to pull me in the wrong direction, and i recognize it, but the usual advice of go fuck 10 other girls didnt work, period, because i did. I maybe not 10, but others, 7s & 8s. I have my little black book. So its dif, but yeah its still a form of oneitis, I'm not really bothered by it, I accept it, I am a romantic, I love it, its part of my personality and my style, and hell it works. As long as it doesnt grow obsessive, its alright. I can tell you, I am perfectly comfortable with walking away if things turn sour, and thats more than enough.

And the advice i seek is precisely because of that, because i recognize that my feelings CAN get in the way, thats why i posted what i plan on doing to escalate things further. To get a second opinion and some more advice on how to approach things. What I did, doesnt really matter as much as what im gonna do next. I dont dwell in the past. I know I played my cards right so far simply because by looking at the facts, i can tell she is very attracted to me, and THAT is good enough for now.

Sorry for calling you out like that bro, but you struck me as a troll, and were getting on my nerves... Yeah, the internet sucks for tone, but w/e we cant all be nobel prize winning writers . Still though, you have yet to offer any advice.




Yeah, I know a long distance relationship is weak, this is why im actually going for this, if the bf was here and saw her every day, it would be VERY difficult to make a move, especially the way I have played things. Imo, here is a girl who seeks affection, sex, and physical contact, she lacks it, she craves it, and thus she seeks it. Thats all i need to move things in the right direction. Here I come along as a unique guy with a very powerful reality, and very strong ambitions in life... Thats VERY attractive to women. Like you guys say, inner game is everything, and yeah, through the trial of life, i have forged a powerful inner game, granted its made me a bit arrogant. Honestly I dont care WHO her bf is, to me, hes no competition. Simply because I know what I'm worth.

Yeah, jealousy tactics are amazing, thing is you gotta know when to use them, and when not to. Last time I used a jealousy tactic prematurely, I almost blew it. It made the game MUCH MUCH more difficult, I posted about it actually. If everything is going smoothly, there is not much of a need... It can backfire, I only use the "dirty tricks" as a punishment these days. But yeah, if things begin to turn sour, I will have to, because it will take away from her what she wants, AND it will take my mind off of her completely.

Like I said, Stealth seduction and planting seeds, push that attraction, to a higher plane, and watch it grow... Perhaps some more NLP patterns, I have noticed that I have began to use pattern-like speech when I speak sometimes now, its strange, but I throw in words that have a subconscious reason, I dont even do it on purpose, for example, looking back at last night, when i talked about long distance relationships, i recall using "missed opportunities," "unhappy," "failure," several times during that part of the talk. NLP man.... deep stuff.


Well, im glad I came back for a bit for some second opinions, I can feel those cogs turning once again. I dont wanna get caught up into it too much simply because you can get trapped in your own head. The reason why I stopped posting FRs was because i wanted to feel a more natural vibe in my game, because my thoughts were getting in the way, and i felt like i lacked the instinct. Which is back, but you gotta strike a balance, you know, not too far to either side...


Well props guys, keep it coming.

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I agree, it is a kind of oneitis, i like her.... more than the others, nuff said, play with fire get burned. Thats more than enough to pull me in the wrong direction, and i recognize it, but the usual advice of go fuck 10 other girls didnt work, period, because i did. I maybe not 10, but others, 7s & 8s. I have my little black book. So its dif, but yeah its still a form of oneitis, I'm not really bothered by it, I accept it, I am a romantic, I love it, its part of my personality and my style, and hell it works. As long as it doesnt grow obsessive, its alright. I can tell you, I am perfectly comfortable with walking away if things turn sour, and thats more than enough.

And the advice i seek is precisely because of that, because i recognize that my feelings CAN get in the way, thats why i posted what i plan on doing to escalate things further. To get a second opinion and some more advice on how to approach things. What I did, doesnt really matter as much as what im gonna do next. I dont dwell in the past. I know I played my cards right so far simply because by looking at the facts, i can tell she is very attracted to me, and THAT is good enough for now.

Sorry for calling you out like that bro, but you struck me as a troll, and were getting on my nerves... Yeah, the internet sucks for tone, but w/e we cant all be nobel prize winning writers . Still though, you have yet to offer any advice.




Yeah, I know a long distance relationship is weak, this is why im actually going for this, if the bf was here and saw her every day, it would be VERY difficult to make a move, especially the way I have played things. Imo, here is a girl who seeks affection, sex, and physical contact, she lacks it, she craves it, and thus she seeks it. Thats all i need to move things in the right direction. Here I come along as a unique guy with a very powerful reality, and very strong ambitions in life... Thats VERY attractive to women. Like you guys say, inner game is everything, and yeah, through the trial of life, i have forged a powerful inner game, granted its made me a bit arrogant. Honestly I dont care WHO her bf is, to me, hes no competition. Simply because I know what I'm worth.

Yeah, jealousy tactics are amazing, thing is you gotta know when to use them, and when not to. Last time I used a jealousy tactic prematurely, I almost blew it. It made the game MUCH MUCH more difficult, I posted about it actually. If everything is going smoothly, there is not much of a need... It can backfire, I only use the "dirty tricks" as a punishment these days. But yeah, if things begin to turn sour, I will have to, because it will take away from her what she wants, AND it will take my mind off of her completely.

Like I said, Stealth seduction and planting seeds, push that attraction, to a higher plane, and watch it grow... Perhaps some more NLP patterns, I have noticed that I have began to use pattern-like speech when I speak sometimes now, its strange, but I throw in words that have a subconscious reason, I dont even do it on purpose, for example, looking back at last night, when i talked about long distance relationships, i recall using "missed opportunities," "unhappy," "failure," several times during that part of the talk. NLP man.... deep stuff.


Well, im glad I came back for a bit for some second opinions, I can feel those cogs turning once again. I dont wanna get caught up into it too much simply because you can get trapped in your own head. The reason why I stopped posting FRs was because i wanted to feel a more natural vibe in my game, because my thoughts were getting in the way, and i felt like i lacked the instinct. Which is back, but you gotta strike a balance, you know, not too far to either side...


Well props guys, keep it coming.

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You're doing strictly okay. I'd say the pace is very slow. Speed up the process, drop hints at what you want from her but don't be too eager. In the meantime, meet other women too (and let her know you've got other options ), that should get her jealous enough 'cause to be honest, women love competing for a man's attention.

Also, indirectly lower her boyfriend's value in her eyes. Get info about him from her and then, just make some passing remark about it. Don't outrightly abuse him, chicks don't take that well.

She looks interested,but she's being coy. Draw a line in the sand. She'll understand you're not gonna wait forever. After all, limited time offers sell more things than any other type.

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so im just gonna stick a field report in the middle of this field report cuz im too lazy to make a new thread

Ok, so im gonna call this a FR because i technically didnt get laid, but w/e i still slept with her...


So this is another girl i've been seeing. Not the Koala from the posts above. So I pretty much set up a movie night at her place because I wanted to take my mind off the oneitis for a bit, and I wanted to get myself in the groove for when I see her this sunday. Just act on instinct.

So, this is the second "movie night" I've set up with this girl. First night, we didnt kiss, I didnt want to. Shes hot, i say an 8. But, idk, theres no bond.... no spark. Well anyways. Tonight, it was no probs. I still didnt wanna kiss her at first, I actually wanted her to make a move, while i was stroking her back, and her cheek. I mean, my face was like an inch from hers, and she just sat there.... like a lump. Until I kissed her, then she went all out. Still though.... I met with LMR, she wouldnt let me take her shirt off, she wouldnt let me stroke her kitty, and it took me a lot till i could touch her breasts... I tried everything, I even froze out several times. She said she wants to make sure, that it will be more than a one time deal, and that she NEVER does that the first time. Eventually she said, that she liked it, but if i continued she would be "stuck" that shes not made of stone. Still, she wouldnt let me, despite my efforts. We still made out all night long on her bed...

Now, I dont really need advice on breaking LMR. Mostly cuz I dont care. I could break the LMR simply by seeing her more and creating more comfort. I dont care though. One thing does worry me... I dont seek an emotional attatchment from this girl. But one seems to be brewing from her side. If I pull things of with the Koala, Im gonna have to push her aside, maybe introduce her to a friend, to get her off my hands. If not though, I have a rebound... so w/e.


Nontheless, I have that vibe now... that instinctual, natural vibe. It should come in handy for when I see th Koala again. Itll be the best way to escalate, no gimmicks, no tricks, just raw nature. And its better this way. Im not putting my ego on the line by attempting to escalate. Im only trying to do what feels natural. If she rejects.... her loss. So that gives me more confidence. I have also managed to seperate myself from the outcome. I was getting to the point, where, the result really mattered to me. Even If I said it didnt. And, if you desperately attatch yourself to the outcome of a situation, you will indefinitely lose....


Well, Ill post the results when they come....


Cheers guys

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A bit of an update on things...

The other girl first, the LMR. She invited me over to hers for V-day. I cancelled, honestly I didnt feel like going there, some friends from work wanted to hit up the bar next door for some drinks, and honestly, i had a lot more fun. Yeah I could have gotten laid, but with her its just not a priority... She pales in comparison to the other girl (physically), and that simply just doesnt make her satisfying enough. I gotta kick up my game, only 9+ from now on. I have a tight enough game for that now, everything below is just not a challenge anymore. And honestly, it wont get rid of oneitis (which i am conquering).

Now onto the onitits subject... its a pain in the ass really, last week, was absolute bullshit, thankfully, it hasnt thrown off my game... Still, that foggy, obsessive state of mind is destructive to all productivity. Fucking hell, the reason why GFTOW didnt work was simply because they werent hot enough to compete. Thats why im kicking up my game. Dont get me wrong, they were cute (7.5, , but like i said before... they pale physically... So what did I do?? Two things... 1. Thank God for porn... I understand what it means to harness your sexual drive, not masturbating for a few days can be good, but it can also be bad. It can make you forget the beauty of a woman's sexuality, and you begin to see all the mushy, lovey dovey bullshit. But that took care of that. 2. I found fresh material, new girls to game, there are a few girls I met at an academy im attending and i have been getting right on that. Plus there is cute new french girl who works where I work, so that will keep me busy as well. Sometimes all you need are a couple new faces to make you remember who you are.

Now, onto the target, the Koala. Well, even though she was the one who set up the date. She cancelled last minute. No big, I just went out and did other things, she said it was a dinner party that she HAD to attend, even though she didnt want to. Like I said no big... Well, later, on V-day, things got interesting. Logging on to facebook that night after getting back from the bar. I see a curious post. It goes a bit like this

"Este puto dia, es que lo odio, siempre, SIEMPRE acaba mal" (This fucking day I hate it, it always ALWAYS ends like shit). My intuition just screamed OPPORTUNITY. It was late, so I simply sent a text to her saying.

"Hey when you have a bad day, simply remember those who are near you and make you smile. Remember a bad day is only hard when you endure it alone "

The next morning she replied like at 7am saying: "t was really nice to wake up and read your message... thank you very much for writing to me, yesterday was a really shit day, but im sure today will be much better. I hope its the same for you! Kisses!"

Later that night we talked. She went on about random bs about her bf in Monaco. How she was disappointed in him and other stuff. I simply reiterated what I had said about LDRs. But this time more specifically on her situation. I went on about pursuing happiness and futility of forcing things. I offered an example, I said placed imagery in her mind about how much LDRs suck (something about the only thing you recieve at the end of the day is a lonely phone call, no touching, no kissing, no physical contact), that was gold, she went off on that one, other stuff too, i cant remember, but ultimately, left it as her decision to do what she wants... I was careful though, not once did I say that she should leave him and come with me. I simply softened up the situation. Placed a lot of doubt in her mind. And weakened whatever bond they share. Its a year long relationship only... Not gonna last, whether I'm there or not. I only softened shit up, so that when I do make my move, it has a higher chance of success. And even if she calls me on it, I can reply back as a me going after what I like, and seeing an unhappy girl and giving her what my intuition tells me she craves.

This last weekend I didnt set up plans ahead of time, simply because she DID flake last time. I talked to her last minute, and invited her out to a walk in the park during the night. But she said she had to finish a project for work, its a new job and her first project, so she wants it to be perfect. I teased her a bit about being a cyber addict, that she prefered to spend time with others artificially rather than physically. And we talked for a bit until I left her to go to the park and then meet some friends for a movie. She said she would make up for it by taking me to "el rastro" this coming sunday. Its a morning market here in Madrid. She said she would try, but wasnt sure as shes got a lot of stuff coming up with her new job, and her masters test coming up soon. And honestly, I should be studying a lot harder... I have a college entrance exam coming up soon too. Thats the main reason I have slowed my game a lot, and stopped sarging altogether. The main reason for the damned oneitis too.

So i decided to play things as they go... Honestly, if this is meant to work out it will. Simple as that. I just gotta keep up a dominant frame. And capitalize on the opportunities that come up. Physical contact is important. But when things get in the way. They just do. I just gotta keep up my game, and keep it tight. Very damn tight. I have been doing well so far. And things seem to be going in my favor, shes still the one to start convos online 90% of the time. I still get that vibe form her, I can feel shes attracted. And sex talk has gotten a lot more frequent and strong. Most of the time, she starts it as well. Still though, I cant settle for comfort, nothing is certain until I have fucked her (3 times actually), so that has gotta be my goal. Right now I feel great. That hazy feeling I had last week is gone. I can think more rationally, I feel like I'm back baby! I just gotta play things cool.


Anyways, I'll keep posting as things come along.
Cheers

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"Be the change you wanna see in the world" -Gandhi

So a bit of an update on things...

I posted about the situation here:

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however, ill continue it here...

So, we had another chat, and like i said i would, i emphasized on inderectly devaluing the bf, and some NLP on her being indecicive. However, due to the intimacy of the convo. It was inevitable that we stray and talk more thoroughly on the subject. However this was good, because... I think I finally see everything clearly. The why... why shes flaked, why she keeps me on the pinch, etc...

So the convo was long an convoluted... im gonna try and remember the key points. Honestly, the bf destroyer, and the NLP where the least important parts of the convo... Once we started to drift. I began to challenge her, and ask her questions. The convo took an interesting turn, when I asked her the classic mystery opener "who do you think lies more." Now the reason i did this was because it would allow me to see, what her opinions on trust are, and if shes just playing games and whatnot. Well we shared stories and whatnot, and eventually... the convo took a more personal turn. Somehow we got on the subject of attraction and seduction. And I started to tell her my personal philosophy on things. How I don't get too close too fast, because I have been played for a fool in the past and how I have learned to grow from past pains. Well, I remember she voiced her opinion that its important that "one demonstrates interest in someone they care about." Which to me it sounded like... "You need to show me you are interested in me because I'm not too sure." (I recall that her response to "why do you say you are very indecisive." was "because when im caught between two options that can have a big impact on my life, i find it very hard to decide what the right choice is.") Well anyways, i replied to her with, "well, when someone doesnt reciprocate the interest you show them, its hard to tell if they are also interested in you, or if they are just playing games."

So basically, like 70% of our conversation went like this... Very "read between the lines." There was a motive behind everything i told her, and it was easy to see, and she reciprocated in all her responses. However, the most interesting bit was the last bit. I was gonna leave her with one final thought, and we somehow got onto the subject of dishonesty and people who wear masks. It was because i think i told her that words are fickle, that they are cheap that actions speak louder than words, and that if someone cares about you they will demonstrate it through actions, not with words (alluding to her bf)... then i cant remember what it was, but she said something, and the way she said it, made it sound very personal. It was something to do with trust. So I asked her, if she finds it hard to trust others and if shed been hurt in the past.

She replied that she hadn't been seriously betrayed before because shes never let it happen... but that its a classic story, that when you are weak and in need of emotion and contact. Out of nowhere, someone appears, someone who everything you need, and who promises or seems like they will take care of you and love you, that they will give you what you lack, what you dont have at that moment she said, and you are overcome with a sensation of relief, but that in reality, that its a lie, and you cant see it... And when you sink into that feeling, and give in, that person turns around and bites your ear she said, and leaves you forever.

Now her words, struck me like a bucket of cold water... because everything now made sense... why shes been flaking out recently, why shes so coy. I mean, to me, it was very clear that she was talking about our current situation. I even showed my SPAM the convo so she could read it and give me her opinion of things, and she agreed that it was clear that she was talking about us... So, I felt relieved by those words, because, I didnt think that she was this interested in me. And the whole way, i have been very authentic with her... I played most of it through intuition.

Well, i knew there was nothing i could say that could SHOW her im not wearing masks. So i told her that time would show her, if someone is wearing masks or not. If they truly are authentic. And to learn to have faith, and follow your instincts, to let life play itself out, that if something is meant to happen b/w two people... it simply will.

damn im good with words...

well afterwards we said our goodbyes, and i showed some interest by telling her that i especially enjoyed our talk, and thanked her for it, she replied telling me she always enjoys talking to me.


Well, honestly I'm a bit speechless... I cant go through with my original game plan, of making her jealous if she has trust issues. Besides, she KNOWS she has competition, its one of the things we talked about during our talk, and she sees other girls post on my wall and whatnot... I pretty much think, she wants me to make a solid move... thats it. To demonstrate that i want her. She said a few things during our talk that seemed to show that she wants me to want her... I think i have this in the bag. My SPAM told me that i have to persevere if i want to get her. Thats all it takes. I confidently know that by our next meet (whenever the hell that is), i can seal the deal.

So, since she HAS flaked 4 times, im caught between what to do. Now granted, her last flake she said that, she definitely would have come had i asked her a bit sooner. Im not too sure on what to do..

well, i could A) take a walk around the park like i do every Sunday, and invite her along (again)... or B) wait till next weekend to set up solid plans (i know that this coming weekend shes gonna be in Marseille cuz of work, but i could just wish her gl on her trip and use that as excuse to set up a meet for the weekend after... besides, she owes me a dinner, and she admits it... hahahahahah


So, I'll make my decision... and ill post back with results when they come... lemme tell ya, its been one hell of a rollercoaster with this one, but looks like i can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel, and i have learned a lot along the way. Lets just hope that shes worth all of this effort... but gut tells me so, so we'll see. I wont cry victory until i KNOW shes mine...

Well team, Cheers

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"Be the change you wanna see in the world" -Gandhi

So things have taken an interesting turn... Where did I leave things off last time? The strange convo right? Well I'm not sure if I mentioned it before or not, but she went on a trip to Marseille with her bf a bit after, and this is where shit turned around. I had told my SPAM, that, to me, it seems that due to the time she shared with her bf, and whatnot, she made up with him and started to cast me aside. She disagreed, saying that to her, it seems unlikely that in one weekend, shes fixed all of her problems in her relationship. Especially since her eyes were so keenly placed on me. I still stand by what I think. Basically, at some point, prior to the trip, something started to sway her mind. I think I mentioned before, that it seemed to me like they made up after whatever argument they had on V-day, this caused her to feel guilt. This explains the later flakes. Then you throw in all the happy memories and the sex from this trip... suddenly, I'm not important anymore. After the trip, I've heard very little from her, a bit here and there, but not much, there was a time, where I didn't hear from her in 2 weeks. Still though, she doesnt seem to be willing to see me walk away. After the two weeks I was a bit baffled by her sudden change in behavior, so I sent her a text, just asking her whats up, and where shes been hiding for the last 2 weeks. Almost immediately, I get a chat message from her on facebook and we talk a while...

So I'm not gonna rattle my head trying to figure this out anymore... As far as I can tell, I'm the back up. She's got me for when shit goes downhill with the bf. To fill the holes he leaves... right now though, things are good, so I'm not important anymore... So, I'm just gonna create some distance, walk away for a while, there's not much else I CAN do. Giving chase would be the most AFC move I could make, and throwing shit away would be stupid considering how much I have invested so far. So really, I have to leave things in her hands for the time being, the way I see it... If I matter to her as much as she says I'll do, she will come seeking me out when the time comes. So I'm not worried. If not, then I failed, I fucked up somewhere along the line. Which takes me to my next point, my game.

Where did I go wrong, what did I learn, and what I could have done better.

So as far a going wrong... Well, I dont think I did anything seriously wrong. Things are the way they are right now simply because of something that falls out of my control. Inviting her out 4 times could also fall under that, but considering how those invites where "in the moment" we were talking already, and I told her I was going out for a walk, invited her to join me. It wasnt a situation where I was an AFC, and it was perfectly logical, invite the person I was talking to at the moment. So no mistake there either.

Now, what I could have done better... Ok, here there is lots to learn from. I definitely feel I could have moved a bit faster. Capitalized the physical meets more... More emotional talk, more romantic kino... I did well, but i could have pushed things along faster. For example, the time we went to the park, I gave her a nice smack to the ass, due to a playful slap she had given me before. This continued on to where she was hitting my arm, and trying to smack my head, I kept trying to push her into the bushes. Things kinda slowed down a bit afterwards... But I could have escalated things into more playful fighting I'm sure, hell, maybe even led onto me teaching her somethings about MA... Oh, well, lesson learned, next time, next girl, w/e. Hahahaha.

As for a K-close, dunno you guys tell me that I could have and should have closed sooner. And I find myself thinking back to the situations where I may have been able to do so, and think if it would have been a smart move or not? I did mention the one time where I felt the vibe that I could go for it. However, my only obstacle was not knowing her situation with the bf, good, bad, etc... That was another lesson learned. I never talked much about the bf, nor did I ask much about him. I didn't want him to exist during our talks and meetings, and thats a good mentality, being too inquisitive can show insecurity, by not doing so, I showed that I was in my own skin and confident of myself. However, I feel like I could have asked a few things about him earlier on to find some of the weaknesses sooner, it would have made things a bit easier. I thing that with girls who have bfs its important to get a good idea of how things are at some point during the seduction and finding those weak points to exploit them. I haven't dealt much with girls who have bf's, but I have come to find that most of the 9s-10s ALWAYS have a bf. Thats why I'm setting out to find more material on this subject. I dont wanna limit myself to just the single girls. Especially considering that most 9s-10s are what people call, the chimpanzees, letting go of one branch only when they can hold on to another. This one is no exception. She told me that when she started dating her current bf, things were going bad with her ex, and she was in the process of breaking up with him, and they started talking online and meeting up here and there.... Similar to how its happening now...

That being said anyone got advice and links to info on dealing with bf's. I've read the BF destroyer patterns and even used some of them... but thats not always enough, esp if you plan to steal girlfriends. I found some material on the subject:

http://www.girlfriendstealer.com/index. ... cle&sid=31

It seems like its a very different game from a regular Pick Up. And in fact, you HAVE to move slow, and be very, VERY patient. So I didn't go wrong in my approach. You gotta evoke emotions and play on her feminine fantasies. Being Mr. Perfect. And apparently the kiss has to come MUCH later than usually (looks like I may have been right in trusting my gut). What do you guys think about this? Anyone have any exp when it comes to dealing with stealing girlfriends? Any stories? I may post this part of the post as a new thread to get some more feedback.

Ok, now, what I have learned. A lot of things actually.
-I swear guys... I CANNOT emphasize enough the importance of evoking emotions in women. Having intimate talks and playing on their emotions. There is no better for of DHV than connecting with a girl on a personal level. During the time I was dealing with this girl, I was picking up other girls that come to class, and using what I have learned from this exp with this one. And man, I build such a power bond, and begin to probe so deeply into their person, and show that I understand them, that these girls are SO baffled. You have no idea how many times I have seen the look of amazement on their face, followed by the words... "but WHO are you?" "Out there, I have such a hard time, meeting guys with whom I can talk like this, yet here, of all places, during an English class, I meet you, and.... idk" Seriously, after this, you dont have to do much work, the girl WILL NOT let you walk away from her life... at least not easily. Because they recognize that you are one-of-a-kind. Thats why I am so confident that this bunny wont let me simply walk away.
-The cube.... Love it, however it has its time where it should be done.... not too soon, but not too late. I use it as a surprise early on. To show that I am not like other guys rather early. Then I recall it again, when I start doing cold readings... This is something else, analyze the girl, her habits, her personality, her words, and figure her out, analyze her good, and feed it back to her every once in a while, THIS, is powerful. Along with speaking with passion, I have gotten really good about that, use descriptive language as if you were writing an essay, be romantic.
-Patterning and NLP, I have gotten much better at it. I dont even have any memorized patterns except for the rose pattern. Aside from that, I kinda go off on pattern-like speech, where i evoke imagery and emotions. Good stuff.
-Calibrating when it comes to DHV to not sound to braggy. This was a bit of a problem with me. It worked ok with me, bc im very cocky and arrogant. But I have toned it down. Learning to keep some secrets is good. Oh, and having stories to tell, about past girlfriends and exp are great. Esp if they are romantic. I will admit I have made some of them up. But make them juicy. Thats great, however, make them work for your stories. Always leave seeds and say... "I'll tell you next time we meet." Keeps em hooked.
-Lastly, dont be afraid to give chase every once in a while and show a girl that she is special to you. If she's interested in you, this will mean a lot to her. This one, was a hard one for me. I have always been rather cold with my game, never liked to show too much interest, bc i felt that this would drive them away. However it is ok to show your interest, and to tell a girl you think she is special, reward her for her hard work, every once in a while. Give chase once in a while too. Its ok. If you dont hear from her in a while, dont be an ass and pretend you dont care.... You do, and you know you do. Swallow your pride and give her a call, ask her whats up. Find out whats wrong.

So as far as what I'm gonna do now. Well, like I said. I'm gonna step back for the time being. Chase other prospects (I'll post about them in a sec). There is not much else I can do. I'm sure she will come looking for me when the time comes.

Now, In other news....

Well I have, 4 new prospects, all of them are English students of mine....

First one, I'll call HB trust issues. Shes a HB8 I have tons of fun with this one. And I have a hell of a time playing things slow... Because it drives her crazy. She always saying stuff like "I dont quite get what you are up to." She 25, 5 years older than me, apparently something happened with her ex, that has caused her to have a recent surge of low self-esteem, and she really admires my attitude towards life, my forward thinking way, where I dont give up and continue to move towards better hopes. She def interested, but a bit coy, because she seems to have trust issues... My only concern is that I dont think I will be able to lay this one unless I forge a very strong bond with her... What do you guys think? I dont really wanna jump into a relationship right now... I'll post more on this one as things go on...

Next up is HBShyness, This is a very cute girl HB8.5 I would say. Shes got a very unique style and is really into film. But she is very shy. She has shown those awkward IOIs to me. I hate that i girls... I like cocky confident girls, they are a lot more fun. Still she seems very nice and is very cute, so we'll see. Also taking things a bit slow with her due to exams... Have her facebook, may push for a day2 sometime, but I wanna make it a group thing, I wanna get with her, but I dont wanna hurt her, I think that is the biggest problem with my game... That girls dont see me as a super sexy fun lay, but as Mr. Perfect... Need to learn to calibrate things a bit...

Next is another student HBGrandmasGirl. Shes a HB8, she said she was here to do some studies I think?? I dunno, I haven't done any of the super DHV stuff on her yet, but she's def interested, saw her when I was out one time, for a friends birthday, we talked for a bit, but i didnt bother trying to join things up or anything, she gave me tons of IOIs that night though, i think I have my fun shag.... Well see.

Lastly, is the Hottest one HBFrenchTeacher, Shes a HB9.5. Smoking hot french girl. A bit short, but i suit her very well. Problem is.... SHES GOT A DAMNED BF.... I swear guys. I gotta learn to play the GF stealing game... Still, shes shown tons of IOIs. Shes gonna be working with us for a few months, and i got her number under the premise that she should come out with us sometime, that way she can make some friendships. Due to the BF thing and the fact that I haven't given chase she suddenly starts seeking me out. Now she tells me she wants me to give her English classes. I plan on starting things off like that, and once the academy's weird policies start getting the way, push for weekend meet ups so that she can learn english. She's very fun I like talking with her. Also I have noticed, that the really attractive girls 9s-10s, when they have bfs, and you start to NOT care about them, they begin to give chase... Theres another girl at work a HB9, who ALSO has a bf, as usual, I started to be very friendly with her, the moment she arrived, but once i got wind of the bf... I backed off, and stopped chasing, when everyone else at work, JUST now started flirting with her... This is funny bc... every damn time.. they come looking for you, and seeking your attention. Now with the Other HB9 the English one, I dont think i have much of a chance, there was a time where she would JUST NOT shut up about her BF, and even went as far as calling me immoral for chasing after the other girl with the BF, the Koala who I have been trying to get with all of this time... So shes not a prospect. Still, its an interesting observation..

Anyways guys... post some feedback on things... I know this is a very long post... very damn long, but I plan on making this thread my general progress thread now. I'll Start posting about my journey and adventures with women. That way I can get general advice and feedback from you guys, but also give an example to others about HOW I approach things in hopes that others may learn from my style, which is slightly dif from your regular PU.

Also, for the time being I cant do day game pick ups... I have to study for exams... So Im limited to picking up at work. However this Summer I plan on hitting up the malls and doing some pick ups there. As for night game... It's never reallt been my scene, especially since i seduce through my words... but I may give it a swing during the summer as well... You know... even though I am doing less approaches than most of you guys... I notice I am learning tons through my style, taking my time and analyzing all of my moves to have a really tight game... Quality vs Quantity I guess.... HAhahahahahaha

Anyways guys... Cheers

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"Be the change you wanna see in the world" -Gandhi