So I've been on-off in this community for about a year. I haven't really done much approaching or anything. I usually get incredibly nervous about talking to girls, but I'm pushing past that. Sure, I should just go out and do it, lately I have been. So now I don't really fear saying "Hello" to a girl or telling her she is beautiful or whatever... My fear now is running out of things to say and the conversation going stale.

And it's not just a fear, it's a reality.

I spew out my opener and then it's like "erm... so what now?"

I've tried asking typical stuff like "What're you up to today?" during daygame, but it never really transitions into anything more than a formal greeting. Similar happens during nightgame.

I feel like I am boring these women. I do not consider myself a boring person by any means. So why is it that I am coming off this way?

It's like, the second I find myself confronted with an attractive woman, I kinda mentally freeze up and have no idea what to say. My mind just goes "Well... you're gonna screw this one up... I want no part in this, cya." and I'm left with "Erm... so yeah... it's a nice day today" or "Wow, is it always this empty/packed in here?" I know these things are chodey to say before I even have said them, but my internal monologue is like "You've gotta say something... say words... any words will do".

I think this is partly a mental block and partly simply not knowing what to say past the opening stage. I can DHV within a social circle to the max... But somehow it's not easy to do 1-2 minutes into an interaction.

I'm sure the mental block will go away as I get more confident, hence why I continue to approach even though I know the interaction will not go further then the greeting and then me politely excusing myself before they think "wow... what a bore"

I am 100% sure I'm not the only person who is or has ever felt this way. So how do we overcome it?

Also, it'd be cool if you guys could maybe reccomend some products/systems that are good tools for developing conversation frameworks and keeping an interaction going.

Riding on the same boat as you my man, consider this link to help you out a little bit; how-to-not-run-out-of-things-to-say-vt82141.html

you could always try to just make up some stories about the area, then when she calls you on it call her gullible or un-trusting or bust on her some other way.

Mystery Method has some interesting stuff on this. He says to come up with stories, just come up with like 6 or 7 stories that have a bunch of DHV spikes in them etc. You can lead into a story any way you want, depending on the story.

So you open, right? Hey, hows it going. This place is great, did you know there was a crazy car crash that happened here a few years ago?"

"no, i didn't"

"oh, my buddy told me about it. Crazy girl, she's in the army, just went skydiving the other day. I figure everyone has these kind of crazy friends with great sotires, anyway..."

then suddenly you can talk about skydiving, or extreme sports, or crazy people, or the car crash that supposedly happened, or whatever you want.

So basically mystery would say like, prepare stories. Have a bunch of stories prepared and ready to go for most social situations and recycle them, and include in them some cool things about your personality, about why you are an alpha male, be cocky and funny, and check out the lovedrop stuff on youtube about kino escalation. So when you get into this story, you can do a playful, short little arm squeeze that lasts for about a half second. "oh you've never heard this one? trust me (slight arm touch) its awesome" now you are starting a conversation, starting kino, getting the girl comfortable with touching in a natural sort of way and also during the conversation you can include some DHV spikes and areas where you can throw kino into the mix.

I'm a super newbie too and I haven't even done this stuff, but thats the gist of the material i've been watching

Awww man. Asking her what she's up to is instant murder. She's used to hearing that from pretty much everybody. You wanna make yourself stand out. If you want to ask questions, try forming those into assumptions instead.
Ex 1:
You: Wow, you look really pretty today!
Her: Thanks!
*Cricket cricket*
You: *smile. Make let a little chuckle out.*
Her: What? Don't you just love these awkward silences?
Then continue the conversation.

Ex 2:
You: Wow, you look really pretty today!
Her: Thanks!
*Cricket cricket*
(You notice she has vans on)
You: How was the skating park today?
Her: WHat?
You: I noticed to wearing Vans so logic would assume that you skate.
Her: No, I don't.
You: Really? Well, I'm just saying. You would look really nice on a board.
Then continue.

In Ex 2, you could have easily asked her, "So do you skateboard?". The problem with that is that it's really common and won't make you stand out. So try making assumptions. I mean, go ahead and ask questions. Just throw some assumptions in there as well.

Another thing is a story. I would NOT suggest a planned story because I don't like those. Tell her a story about something you did that day or the day before if you can. Why? I find it easier to put a lot of energy in a story that just happened to you rather than a made up story/story that happen a year ago. If you plan a story, the mind will try to perfect how you tell the story and you will be more conscious about how your body language is and shit; this will use up some energy that you could be using for the story.
I suck at explaining things, so here's an example:
You: So today I put on some polerized glasses and I was like, WOAH! On my side window I saw a rainbow on it. It was so mesmorizing that I thought I was going to crash. I almost did; good thing I looked away when I did.
Her: Blah blah blah
Ok, so if you put a lot of energy into telling her how you saw rainbows when you were driving, she's going to think that since you are so excited about this, how excited would you be about more interesting topics later in the conversation. Then she's interested.

I gonna give you some advice that helped me a shitload. Put down the books. You don't need them. Sure, it's good to read RIGHT when you start, but after you get an idea of the game, put down the books. Go out and talk to girls. If you find yourself in a situation where you have no girls at all to talk to, then you can open up the books, but as soon as you see some more girl, put 'em down. xD
Experience will help you MUCH more than these books. In my opinion, 10 rejections are much more beneficial than 10 books written by "guru"s. If you don't know what went wrong, write up a field report and post it here. We'll help you out. Plus, it's free.

If you want to ask a day game expert, get some help from Sasha. He's a day game expert. Just type in "sasha pua" into google. He answers my questions every time I email him.

Btw, I'm not an mpua or anything. I'm just a normal guy.

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To be good at keeping the conversation going you have to be a good LISTENER and be able to IMPROVISE thats the most important thing. You have to be able to pick a word out of her response and move forward on it. FOR EXAMPLE
YOU: I know this is random but i had to tell you ur really cute. What are you out doing today?
HER: yea thats kinda random but thanks im going shopping for pants

OK HERES WERE THE CONVO WILL DIE OR TURN INTO SOMETHING MORE YOU HAVE TO USE WHAT SHE JUST SAID TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE CONVO..TELL HER A STORY ABOUT THE LAST TIME YOU WENT SHOPPING FOR PANTS AND SOMETHING FUNNY HAPPENED..OR TELL HERE A GOOD PLACE TO GO SHOPPING!!

You keep moving forward using this concept building comfort until you can close..Be a good LISTENER and be able to IMPROVISE!!!