yes, title is pathetic. i know, but pls, if you been in love before, then you would understand my complicated story.. i'm so lost right now, i just fought and broke up with my gf. this is the 3rd time we fought, and i can see this is the worst one and i dont think i have a chance anymore. i'm so in need of help, that i have to turn to asking you experts in women.. here's my complicated story.. and its gonna be long.. pls help if you're sincere about it......... i got no one else to turn to.....

i known her for more then 2 yrs. how we met, was.. not actually 'usual'. maybe i was lucky. after 3 days knowing her, i tried to get her to have sex with me, and was successful. fast forward a few months, we developed feelings for each other. and we were sex partners. (during this time after we met, she had a bf). she broke up wit her bf, n we, slowly get more close and finally a proper loving couple.

sidetrack: i have a band, and shes my bandmate. we did so much stuffs together. you can see we are so close to each other, always seeing each other and nvr get bored. movie Perfect Couple featuring us. -_- once the band was breaking up, she was damn stressed and sad that she was blamed for nothing, and kicked out for nothing, when she put all her energy to the band.

alot of things happen. we fought once, a big one. was supposedly to end right there, but we had a practice session right after we fought. we are professional musicians, wit the band, we completely put away our feelings. in the room, we can even look at each other and smile and laugh. amazingly, after that practice, we patched back. things went happily.

fast forward lotsa months. we fought again.this happened juz weeks ago. during that fight. i found out alot of things guys would never accept. during the break up of the band, she went back home wit a friend. during that time, we kept our r/s a secret. so as not to seem 'unprofessional' during practice. she told me, straight in my face. she had sex with him. when she was still with me. and to top it off, she said he did it better. (can u feel the pain now?)

but still, i love her. i will tell you why later on. also during that recent fight, she told me more. i knew she was a callgirl, she told me, long after we were together, after she trust me that i wouldnt leave her. she give bj's to customers.but she stopped doing it before we met. i was damn shocked. but i accepted it. i want to forget her past, and move on and continue loving her. and i found out also, while i was working, she went to meet another guy, and kissed him. it was damn hurtful i swear.

last few weeks, she want to enrol a course in school. she had no money. her parents dont help her anymore. she cant get a job easily. she knew im struggling myself, and she doesnt want me to suffer. knowing that i can't help her, and knowing i will be super disappointed and sad, she resort to give bj's again to earn a quick buck, to pay for her school. all because she dont wanna see me without money, helpin her pay. how do i not love her more even though im so hurt? she did all those things juz not to see me suffer.

y do i love her so much? she had very very bad experience with her past bf, i really think she is traumatized. she told me last time she was very active, outspoken, energetic, positive. now shes quiet, always stressed, depressed, doesnt see point in anyting in life. she rarely talk to her parents. ive been around her family. its bad. i feel, and need, to help her. i love her so much. i dont want her to resort to being a callgirl again. i dont want her to degrade herself like that. i will feel guilty to the end of days if i dont help her. i know her problems and situations, and feelings and traumas. i just NEED to help her......

u will tell me, to not be a wuss, dont cry, move on, n all, but the confusing part is this.. my work, my life, goals, depends on her too. i HAVE to see her. we play in pubs, i need her. i will gladly follow all the rules on how to get ur gf back. dont contact, and stuffs.. but this is different.

how do i do this?? i will get any PUA programs out there and learn all there is to get her to go crazy over me. i know, im pathetic. ive stuck myself with her. but, shes like the only diamond i ever found in my life... pls dont tell me to find another girl....

oh god someone out there pls help..............

GFTOW! right now.

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.

uuh this is probably the wrong type of forum to ask about advice on your situation?

some of the indicators that things weren't right "she had a bf but was my sex partner" that should of showed you an indication of how things were to develop in the future.

the more you continue to chase after her, guess what she will keep abusing your trust and have you as a safe bet. She will fuck other guys and when she grows tired she will go back to you with those sad puppy eyes a whole show of "she didn't know what she was doing" and of course the dreaded "love you".

Time to man up as much as you may love someone, LOVE yourself above all others because you cannot love another if you don't. If she felt the same love for you once or ever... she would do the same and not torture you like this.

I understand how you feel...I used to date a stripper and I still don't know for sure but I had a feeling she did more then just strip. Anyways as much as it hurts you would be better of without her. By forgiving her she will mistake kindness for weakness. If she really cared about you do you really think she would repeatedly hurt you like that? I would end it asap and break all ties...it will just keep getting worse and worse .

thx everyone for the help........
i think i better think about this..........
what andd95 said maybe right.. i wouldnt know.

and since im here..

anyone can recommend a good PUA product for beginners? hopefully one that really works and easy to apply.. haha..

pandora's box any good?

I'm really sorry to hear this, and i totally know how you feel. To begin with, you said that you guys were fuck buddies when you first met, and she had a bf during that time right? don't you feel that maybe what's happening to you happened to that guy too?

I think you should ve thought about this when you guys were fuck buddies, i think you should ve thought that she's not a really relationship type of girl...I'm saying this cause one of my close friends and she's actually my wingwoman, she needed money soo bad in order to pay the rent for her parents...and instead of giving bj's, she actually looked for a job(in a gas station), and instead of breaking up with her bf she got closer to him, you know why? cause girls are pretty weak, once they need help, their subconscious start affecting the way they think,act and live (i.e some girls do drugs, others give bj's to "earn a quick buck", and others actually act mature). Oh and btw if you're wondering why would a girl get closer to her bf when shes under these condition, its because she needs support and someone to guide her.

She told you that "she said he did it better", why the heck would a girl who loves you, and cares about you say that? or even do that ?!?!

"she went to meet another guy, and kissed him. it was damn hurtful i swear" do you want me to keep going?

Look i'm not trying to give you a tough-love advise, but i think you should just sit down, take out a piece of paper, and actually write the pros and cons of being with this girl...i know it sounds silly, but trust me it will wake you up.

The fact that you made an account here just to ask us, shows that you are a really caring person, which is a really good thing and to be honest, i think you can find a girl who will appreciate that and won't put you in soo much pain. I know its hard, but you deserve waaaaaaay better

Good luck man and keep us updated

hey dog... thanks so much for even bothering to read and reply to my pathetic post.. what you said actually is true.. i deserve someone better.

about writing those pros and cons.. i don't even need to do that.. on the top of my mind i already see more cons. and im a damn optimistic person. maybe too optimistic for my own good.

after that fight, we actually got back together. i was already planning to forget her, just that tmr morning, after i wrote the post, she called back, and it just like it never happened. i can't take this cycle anymore. only ytd we argued again. this time not about us, i just hate her principles in life. always take the easy way out, selfish, care more about herself. and she is fuckin depressing to be with. always negative, thinkin this world has no point to live, no point to work hard or be good coz the world gonna end, and everyone is 'evil' and 'bad'. she really has a bad past, traumatic to the point of life changing attitude. that is the main reason, me being just too damn nice, to help her with her bad past and life.

i need help from all you PUA experts. you guys are the only ones that can make me forget all this and enjoy other great potential women.. i cannot live like this. im always a happy, outgoing, positive person. she is slowly turning me into the opposite. i do not want that.

someone recommend me something good from a good pua. i want to learn and apply.

options: Speed Seduction ross jeffries?
Mystery Method mystery?
Pandoras Box vin dicarlo?




god damn i need sex.

Don't worry about it. I actually used the mystery method at first and i think the best way to learn it is to watch the 1st season of the "pick up artist", and then read the book. If you can't find them online, let me know i ll send you the links

a link would be good! thanks!!

you got the book too?
where can i get it?

regrdless the reason, she fucks other guys while shes with you? i would throw her out so fucking fast then run her ass over... i can't believe you took her back after that no matter how much she 'loves' you no one who loves you will do that.. they would work long hard hours making idk how much a week and getting a loan then to blow cocks for money thats pathetic.. get over her a lot of people's bands broke up and they are still living moving on.. srsly i wouldnt want to see you continue to get hurt it seems like its all downhill from here...

i met a billionaire a few months ago and he was the most confident man i have ever met! the dude doesn't give a fuck! he gave me lots of information... and one day i told him i wanted to change people from their bad ways... he then asked me why? so i said well to change them... lol.... so he said does it matter? you don't have to change anybody, and the truth is you cannot change anyone unless they truly want he change themselves. then he told me to enjoy my life, and don't try to change anyone, but if they want help, do so willingly...

so big man! don't give a fuck! man up! stop being a bitch! you're her fucking bitch! she can come back to you... use you like a dirty emotional rag and place you back on a holder! if you know you deserve better then look for it! don't give a fuck! or you'll always be in the state you are now... which do you prefer... a bitch that doesn't care or beautiful women in your life that care and wants to fuck you!

Man up or bitch out!

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futility is doing the same thing over again expecting different results... change the way you do things and get different results... experiment

thx guys!

and to flyhotstuff. dude, you're the man! its damn true that if ppl truly wanna change, they will do so themselves.

you guys totally make me see a new light in all this. im so damn stupid. severe case of 1-itis.

thanks so much guys. i really really do appreciate it.

to jaydog, still waiting for the links dude!! thanks lots!!

now i gotta learn all this damn cool PUA stuffs. MM n SS seems damn good combo

hey dude i'm sorry to hear about whats happenned to you but the guys here are right. this girl sounds like she's been nothing but bad news for you, she's manipulating your qualities as a good person and even worse she's starting to smother them with her own negative views and actions.

the simple truth of the matter is, if you let a girl steal, cheat and lie her way past your expectations and morals she'll do it. you owe it to yourself not to lose who you are by letting her drag you down.

also i'd agree that mystery method would be a good place to start, but if your looking for an idea on a couple aspects of picking up i'd suggest you read 'the game' by niel strauss if you havent already.

hey bro, as said before the only way to get your self respect is to lay down your own law with this bird or lay it down in your mind for the next bird. as a guide trying to get someone back should really be saved for some marriges and when theres childrens involved and although theres heaps of products that teach getting an ex back wanting her back it kinda displays neediness and desperation and also forces you to act in a way that isnt congruent to what you know logically.
As for pandoras box Its an o.k product its mostly about learning the different types of women and how to read them although if you want to focus on club game most girls clubing are playettes so the rest of the programme isnt essential, theres no magic bullet though so theres a few good books and programmes to start like the game or mystery method etc...
peace

thx guys for your helpful comments..

am trying to get tru with this. but im seeing it will go very well. i cant believe i can get tru this actually. all thanks to all of you.

now i better get some chicks home on my bed. nyahahahaha!