I know i am new to these forums and all but i've seen a lot of posts and threads posted by guys who take some things way to serious. Maybe it works for them but when im talking to a girl i don't think "oh man did i just compliment her too early?" "did i just make myself look like i have lower value?" The worst is when i read posts with stories about someone "screwing up" because they got the girl mad when instead of saying a completely harmless compliment at a perfect time they think "i should neg her and build attraction!" And it turns out to hurt their chances. I'm not saying that "Negs" are bad or anything else im just saying some people need to loosen up. Girls don't think "man if he compliments me right now im going to be so pissed" most likely she will accept it and smile just dont overdo it. This is just my opinion on some of the posts i read.

i think you are wrong. i don't think it is ridiculous.

i think it is science.

look, i am a naturally introverted and shy guy. i am a good looking guy. i workout seven days per week. but i can count the number of women i've slept with on one hand. and that is because i have been in long-term relationships. most of which ended with me being shit on.

i've always been puzzled that despite the fact that i am fairly buff and good-looking, chics seem to pay me no attention.

after reading here, i went out, and at the grocery store or the gas station or wherever, i started using some of this stuff. i actually had women (hot ass women) giggling and squirming in my presence.

so, it isn't bs.

Im not saying pick up is bs, im saying that yes it all works but you need to incorporate it into your game you need to be creative and some people tend to over think the material and end up hurting themselves.

oh, sorry i didn't get you right the first time, yeah i couldn't agree more. overthinking is ridiculous.

When I look back, I analyse everything much more closely than I do at the time.

At the time I didn't think, for example, "oh shit, I should have kino-ed just then". Looking back, I analyse where I could have done things better and what I did well.

This is how I improve my game.

that's very true. good point

I felt just like you in the start, i never belived this... But i told my self "whatever, lets try it once for fun", it was on the buss home, i looked overshoulder when i passed by a 2 girls, (one of them was a 5 and the other was a 7). I told the (5) one that she reminded me of a girl named Jessy, and continued from there to "Are you best friends?"---"Because you have the exact same facial expressions"... BLA BLA BLA. I didn't get their numbers because i had to jump off the buss to change to my next one. But i felt that i could have gotten the (7)s number, because i had neged her. And that i hadn't fallen in the friend-zone.

It's all just training. Guys don't act like this forever. They just need a little structure at first, so they can get started instead of doing nothing. There is so many things to learn about pua, that can only be learned from experience, that if these guys never used all this planned out material, they would never learn it themselves, because they would never approach.

im not saying this stuff isnt true or that it doesnt work cause it has helped me a bit even though i am pretty natural but im just saying you cant write stuff like stone in your mind and only focus on certain things. and some people look like they get carried away but i realize your point Kalel. You have to start somewhere right?