Ok, so I tried something simple yesterday and had good results; I deliberately left my cigarette lighter at home so I HAD to approach people to get a light. Ended up with a # and a less than hot girl following me around all night (ditched her and went home alone, which was preferable). It's early days for me so this was a massive ego boost, just made me feel confident enough to approach.

Now, one of my friends is quite an accomplished PUA and he's coming over in a week or so to be my wingman. I've got no illusions, he's more attractive and more experienced than me, but I want to be the one opening (I need the practice!) so I had an idea for an opener, a bit of role reversal and I want to know what you think. I've seen something similar in the forums but I'd like input on how it applies to my situation.

So I walk up to a likely group and say something like 'hey I'm teaching my friend here how to pick up girls and I wondered if you had any tips for him?' : I thought it might 'even us out' by setting me up as the AMOG, at least between the two of us. Thoughts?

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In my experience inserting pickup into the conversation does two negative things.
It raises BS like none other and it is a big time DLV to ask any girls you may be interested in for advice on how to pickup girls. I did this A LOT in my first night out with my wing... didn't work a single time.

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Ah, ok. So bearing in mind the context (as above) of the proposed line, could you suggest an appropriate opener?

Is there really a need for me to attempt to establish myself as AMOG if it's between my friend and I? Because time and again in the past he's closed and left me to stumble blindly on.

I'd like to be able to 'piggyback' on his technique by demonstrating higher value than him early on and then letting him do his thing. He's ok with this btw but hasn't been forthcoming with suggestions.

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His higher value is your higher value if you plan it right (and he isn't a douche).

I did this opener with the same wing and it was fun and amazingly succesful.

Wing opens cocky/funny super confident

Wing:My little ponies, did they have super powers or were they just regular horses?

SET: whatever shit these fools think up

Wing: yea pretty lame our super powers are way better.

YOU: What is this OUR business? Don't get me wrong, yours is awesome but I'd say our super powers are very different. Then take over and switch threads and everything else.

In this way you get all the DHV benefits of your wing. You DHV your wing. And you clearly set a frame where you have a MUTUAL RESPECT situation with your wing rather than someone being in the shadow. If you end up with a lopsided social value with your wing then the lower value guy won't close and the High value guy actually gets a DLV for hanging with him. The actual opener (while completely hilarious, 100% successful, and the most fun routine I have ever done) isn't important it's the dynamic you build with your wing. The message in a nut shell is.

We are both way more confident and awesome than you. We are both independent and unique people. We are close enough that we accidentally overlap sometimes but we also value our independent identities. Successful alpha positioning for both you and your wing will give a "we hang out together because this guy is the only guy who is on my level" vibe.

Hopefully this is how you guys actually interact in your friendship because it's the best kind. That's why it's attractive.
I hope the delivery of this message is more clear to you than it is to me. It's too late for good writing.

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.

Yeah that makes sense, thanks!

He's a decent guy and considering the degree to which he gets laid he wouldn't mind taking one for the team if it helps me out, but this way we're both still in the game.

Forgive my uninformed question, I was under the impression that any vying for that AMOG spot would result in both of us DLV but the way you've suggested seems to imply that it's possible to joint-AMOG it. In other social contexts (say, on your own) I'm guessing it's still preferrable to DHV and rise above any other male presence?

Apologies if I'm using the terminology incorrectly; I'd rather do so and be corrected than shy away from it and not be understood.

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yes it's you and your wings show. You write, star and direct.

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.

My wings show?

Anyway, I went out tonight, wore a kind of surfer necklace cos I thought in this cold weather it would be a suitable peacock accessory. Did my 'have you got a light' thing again and had massive success; ended up chatting to this girl for about 30min, she was definitely giving me IOI's, touching my arm, looking deep into my eyes and whispering in my ear; one of her friends stole one of my necklaces (there were three, kind of beads on an elastic string) anyway, I'm trying to give off the same IOI's, touching her arm when I'm telling these stories, etc.

My new question (and I hope you'll forgive me for sticking it in the same thread) is how should I have closed? She stayed out, had another two cigarettes with me, still giving off these IOI's, then suddenly she's like 'we're going back in' and I felt it would be kind of stalkerish to follow her, it would DLV. I need to finish reading MM because I've only got through stages 1 and 2, didn't really know how to close.

I saw her again and she asked for my # so I guess it's a waiting game but I felt like I could hit the finish tonight. She was maybe HB8 but very open & approachable, didn't feel the need to neg. I talked to her friends, showed them I was a nice guy etc. At the very least, considering that this is my second night out where I've tried gaming, I think I did well. Met about 14 different sets but only got close to the close with this one.

EDIT: just done some facebook stalking (I know I know) and it turns out she's got a boyfriend; I'm ecstatic! That I got these IOI's from someone already in a relationship and she never once mentioned a boyfriend... I feel like it's something to be proud of! (there's probably a few things I did wrong but still, this feels like progress, considering I was in a similar situation a few days ago and after about 15min of talking I got the 'I have a boyfriend' deal)

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I always try some type of close now because when I don't I always feel like I should have.

By your and your wings show I mean that all eyes should be on you guys. If you watch a movie with a really good lead but a horrendous co-start doesn't it disrupt the quality of the whole experience?

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.