If you are looking for a long-term relationship you have to take a much different approach. But for the player lifestyle, I think my post makes a lot of sense.

Yeah I think "requiring substance" is overblown too. Imagine a job interview. Your job is to get hired. Well, maybe you also want to find out whether the company is worth bothering to work for, whether you'll get paid well and treated well, but the main thing is to get hired. On the timescale of work, it's a short term goal. All the people at the office are really busy and can't spend forever checking your credentials. They can't guarantee the perfect decision about what you're going to do with their company or not. So they size you up, shit test you, apply whatever heuristics they can to the hiring process, and at some point just pull the trigger and make the decision. Why? Because they want to get on with it, they want to get back to work.

PUA is similar in this regard. You don't have to be Ghengis Khan. You just have to look like you're worth hiring and get hired. Don't overestimate the intelligence and energy of women who might fuck you. Doesn't mean they're dumb, just means they're human beings with a finite number of tools for making a decision.

Some people are innately talented at acting. They end up as movie stars. Or spies. Or undercover cops. They don't provide substance, they just push whatever buttons people want / need to hear. Know what? Reality changes around them, because people's behavior changes around them. That's a kind of substanceless substance in and of itself.

Long rituals of proving yourself to have "real" value are to be avoided. It's a false reality. Getting laid is not that hard.

but the main thing is to get hired.

and at some point just pull the trigger and make the decision.

Yes, if you're desperate and this is your only interview.
yes, if they are desperate and you're the best they can do.

The goal is getting an offer.

Well, maybe you also want to find out whether the company is worth bothering to work for, whether you'll get paid well and treated well

If you weren't a bottom of the rung guy who's desperate for a job and you have 5 offers on the table, wouldn't ^this be your priority?

DHV'ing through stories to a girl is not like trying to get a job, sorry. Having a job should be higher on your priority list than getting a girl. Therefore, you do have to "DHV" in a job interview, right from the beginning.

You don't HAVE TO, but you can, tell these DHV stories to win her over. Instead, you can just be seductive.

Now if this girl you got becomes your g/f, then yes, you will want to show her that you are someone of value. However, do you see the difference?

^Listen, here's why your story telling sucks. You're simply a unlikable little headcase with an inferiority complex. When you know you're wrong, just let it go. I don't know you, I don't care about you . . . and still, I think you're a little twit. You began with a made up bs story about how game is and how game should be and blah, blah, blah, yet . . . things simply don't work this way. It just doesn't add up. Unless they're retarded, Women DO NOT FUCK strangers no matter how powerful your "DEMO GAME" is . . .

Even if you do not want to tell them exactly what you do or how you do it, you communicate to them through "story telling". Christ you guys are a fucking bore.

Can any of you who actually converse with women once in a while just chime in? God damn, what's with this lying and lying and pulling shit out of a sky just to tell a damn story? This is EXACTLY what you're doing now. You're telling a story to demonstrate some value but the problem is you totally fucking suck at it. Don't you get this at all? At least I'm being honest. Women will simply squirm, get uncomfortable, and give you odd looks.

Back to the topic story man: All things being the same, The following companies are offering you these salaries. Please choose which company is paying you 'well':

A. 70K
B. 90K
C. 48K
D. 60K
E. 150k.

Same little quiz can be done with their vacation time, benefits, etc . . . Try it for yourself.

In a club, these girls are offering the following hook. Please choose one:

A. "Nope. I never kiss on a first date ever."
B. "I've got a bottle of rum at home. How about we pick up some coke on the way."
C. "Well, you're a little bullshitter aren't you.
D. "Your stories are making my eyes water with boredom."
E. "Please, get the fuck away from me. Be nice. I said, 'please'"

You have a habit of putting yourself on a pedestal and making a fool of yourself. Please, lose this habit first. Worry about pick up later. And in the future, I suggest forming your made up bs in the form of a question; same idea when you interact with girls . . . if you ever get around to it. Good luck.

Women do to fuck strangers. There's guys who've gotten lays from, "Hey, do you wanna fuck?". It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

It seems like you think there's only ONE specific method on how to get a girl.

Lol nope, that's just false. I remember a sig, on this forum, once read.... "While your sitting there telling your DHV stories, I'll be the one to seduce her". (Or something like that) Something you should definitely think about.

I'm putting more time and energy in my seduction game.

A good example is Christopher Colombus. He actually had very little knowledge and came from a low class background. Yet he was able to associate with royality and even get the queen to finance his explorations! How? Why? Because he projected a sense of confidence that was completely out of proportion to his means. He behaved like royality and therefore he was percieved like royality. People believed he was "destined for greatness" without having any evidence of it.

Women do to fuck strangers. There's guys who've gotten lays from, "Hey, do you wanna fuck?". It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.