What do you guys think. When you get a girls number, she is giving you something... Therefore, she seems like the prize. However, instead of getting the girls number, give her yours.

Then again you may come off desperate or something... lol I dunno. It's different from what most guys do. I'ma do it unless if you guys think it's a bad idea. Thoughts...

This is interesting, because you can give your number to a women but the chances of her calling you is very slim unless you are very sincere. I have given my number out to a women before I started PU (imo I was very sincere and honest) next thing you know I found the napkin on the table. Now I prefer for her to give me the number.

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Anyone who thinks the vast majority of women are hard-charging and go-getter enough to actually call you is crazy. You get her number so that you have the power to actually reconnect. You can also exchange numbers. Handing her your number is usually a total AFC pussy move, you don't have the balls to get hers. It says, "Um, do you like me? Will you pay enough attention to me to like me? Pleeze??" Getting her number says, "I like you. I am going to call you, and we are going to go out on a date." It's also proof that she has complied with something you asked / commanded from her. Perhaps good PUAs can reverse the dynamic but most of you on the way up that road are idiots if you think women are going to call you, or respect you for wussing out by handing out your number.

These young whippersnappers. Really. Only possibility I can see is that texting has addled all your minds and social skills and all the rules have changed. WTF is a Facebook close anyways. Oh, and if you're getting her email, you're a jackoff, let alone giving out your email. Use a real medium of communication, the kind that forces her to actually talk and deal with you. Email is the easiest way in the world to blow someone off. When you have a business problem, and you need it dealt with NOW, you don't send an email. You pick up the phone and make someone deal with it.

Nuff said...well put!

Surprisingly, the last two interactions I gave the girl my number and it progressed forward.

These two occurrences was probably a rare one off because with the first girl I knew she already like me because she kept 'checking me out.' LOL.

The second girl I gamed over fb, and my fb game was very good.

But am I ever going to do this again? No. Those were rare one offs and it set the stage for my eventual friend-zoning.

Won't ever be doing that again or wasting so much time over text. You're the man, have some balls.

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uhhh no. this is why you're not the PUAKING...more of a AFCKING

Dude why are you going all AMOG on his ass like some weak Tyler Durden DLV routine, the forum is here to help people, give advice don't shoot him down...

I give her my number if she says she has a boyfriend, because then it's much lower pressure, and she won't worry about me calling when he's there.

Other than that, I n-close by putting my number, name, and maybe a fun nickname into HER phone, and then getting her to text me her name "so I know it's you and not my psycho ex gf who tries to stalk me by calling me from other people's phones!"

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After having a small think about it giving her your number has it's advantages and disadvantages. Lets say I was hitting on a chick down in the local pub or whatever and things went well, K-Closed or had some thought that things could progress and I gave her my number. That shows 3 fortunate contradicting factors:

1. Your not dependant of the outcome and presents to her that you have no intention of chasing her.
2. She has Higher Value and could massage her ego.
3. But if she wants to continue the interaction, she is going to have to chase which as you said makes you look like the prize. Say she does call you back, that is a definate indicator of interest that would show she is definately attracted to you.

Although the downside could be that she develops buyers remorse the next day and decides not to call you. Which, if this does affect you it certainly does to me, could crush your ego and morale.

I'm actually going to be the one who decides not to shoot you down (which was mistaking for AMOGING - those commenters hold no alpha male qualities) and say, I'm going to give it a shot and see how it goes.

Good luck and great post.

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Exactly - I actually do completely the same. It gives a lot more confidence to the girl & the in control. You won't be coming over needy that way.

Rather you'll be coming over direct - strong - independant and selfsecure. So it's more of an PUA thing than an AFC thing.

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Every poster made valueable points.

@Puaking-I dont believe giving your # instead would seem desperate.

Actually the opposit,trying hard to get her # would be desperate.

Im not advocating for guys to be giving their #'s but there's something elusive about this that I cant put my hand on.

Randomly going up to girls and giving your # without generating any attraction,etc.would be stupid.

I know Puaking isnt advocating that.

But let's say Im vibing with this girl for 30 min.she's attracted,etc.

Why would I giving her my # would be a bad idea?

In fact,it seems kinda alpha to me.

It subcommunictes to the woman that,"Hey,Im a highly desired guy who wont have time to call you.So if you're interested(which she is),call me".

I think that was puaking's perspective.

If the girl's interested via the guy's game,she will call or at least text.

Women suck at phone game so she'd most likey text as the anxiety to cal would paralyze her.

Plus it would be a major IOI if the target does call or text.

If I took her # then try calling her,it isnt an IOI if she answers.

She would still answer even if she isnt into you.

So the lingering thought of,"Is she into me",would still plague you.

But to have the target call or text you would be the biggest IOI ever.

There should be no doubt that she's DTF or into you.

So it'd be a major IOI if she contact you after giving your #.

The downside to this is,women feel social anxiety much more than men.

So even if she's into you,that anxiety may keep her from calling.

So it all depends on how social the girl is.

A socialite chicc will contact you(even call)if you gamed her right.

A shy girl who suffers from huge LSE(low-self eteem)will not call(even if you gamed her right).

Point?

You can get away with this depending on the type of girl.

So it isnt the worst thing in the world to do.

Just know the type of girl you're gaming.

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Great post k-loc. You knew where I was trying to get at. I agree with you. If the girl is outgoing, I'll give her mine, if she is shy I'll take down hers.

The whole reason of me bringing up this topic isn't b/c I'm "AFCKing" lol... my phone died and I went to #close a girl. Cuz it was dead, I told her to take down mine. Then it got me thinking, so I made this thread.

If you're that worried that having a girl give you her number is going to act against you then just swap numbers mutually.

Relying on her to call you ruins your efficiency, there are so many factors like inertia, nerves, forgetfulnes that can fuck it up.

If you're trying to construct a strategy that will get you meeting people and getting laid, I have no clue why you would want to have "don't take numbers, give them" in that strategy.

@Fin-Nice to see a fellow-forum leader chiming in on this.

I agree with you 100%.

Anxiety,etc.will hve the girl not call.

So it's a gamble in hoping she'd call.

@Puaking-Well now that we know why you wrote the post,it beg the question:

If your phone dies,does it mean I cannot then give her my #?

Of course Im gonna friggin' give her my #(lol)!!

And another solid point Puaking is that if the girl is social,feel free to give your #.

If she's an introvert & shy,take her # or do a mutual swap as Fin suggested.

It cuts to the chase to have the girl contact you instead.

There should be no doubt that she's interested if she does call or text.

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