So we've found that yelling "I'm a big boy now" isn't quite the magic pill that we hoped. And that Blueprint Gambler extreme Magic Mystery hottie catcher version 3.0 Manifesto -seriously how many editions of the same pitch do you need?- has left you with 9 DVD's which will take you till december 2015 to get through, and even though the pretty words are sounding nice we don't quite know yet what they mean...

So where do we go from here? How do we teach ourselves a new belief?

1. Figure out what you want to work on.

2. Learn how to work on it. (sounds familiar doesn't it?)

3. Start a journal and write down in detail, every time you attempt to work on your chosen area, and ear-mark every positive experience.

You may not know it yet, but you're quite the scientist in some respects, and if you're brain is going to hold a belief, it wants some evidence, evidence that is consistent, reliable and repeatable.

You're going to use that journal to build up the evidence that doing X,Y,Z gets you consistent and real, results.

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While we are discussing consistency over intensity, instead of "Approach 10 HBwhatever on saturday" try, "Open and transist one girl every day"...

...Much easier to accomplish, and by the end of the week you will have sent a much clearer message to that brain of yours.

im certainly going to start to do this. its funny, i study more for pick up than i ever did for school.

It's funny, if you have no good qualities to your name, then studying for school could very much be an improvement of your PU game by giving you a tangible asset.

Just food for thought. Largely irrelevant though.

This always makes me laugh because the only people saying this are the people who have not really gotten where they wanted since they starte PU.

Because this 'same pitch' or the necessary and basic foundation for getting you talking to girls has worked for the res of the peopl

I do know what you mean about the same pitch but isn't that testiment to how far PU can only really go and should go.

Don't forget PU is aimed at people who have only just got into the game and need serious help with women, not the few people who for some reason want to learn more advance PU hypnosis and nlp routines to torture women with

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"I guess a little small talks in order here now."

"Do I look like a gentleman to you in this shirt and these pants?"

"I know you from some place."

Read 3 Books and Apply the Principles:

1. The Magic Of Thinking Big
2. Psycho Cybernetics
3. The Power Of Now

Bonus: Make a a personal book like a journal, where you write your daily routine based on the principles of those books, like:

Morning: wake up, say the day is gonna be good, I feel sexy.
During The Day: Look for affirmations that your day is fucking awesome
Going To Sleep: Recall 5 successful or good things that happened or you did today.

This is only a glimpse at inner game of mentality and feeling good.

Than you got like inner game for social situations, sexual, motivation, etc. Work on each.

Instead of reading all the information from Guru's, who actually read all of this stuff and then rephrase it and sell it to you. Easier buy the actual books and apply the principles.

Cheers

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Jimmy Doyle:

Your first bit, is arguing for one thing, but the second bit another. I'm confused.

I agree to an extent with the later half, to explain, there are WAY too many products making WAY too many claims. And these books/DVDs keep on coming out, often with very little change to the way we see PU.

Then again when you release a book, everyone does a song and dance, because a new source has come that might save them without having to do any work.

And is English a second language for you? I find it difficult to understand your sentances.

Read and Apply? Come on, seriously? Affirmations?

There are people on this forum that go through post after post thinking "Read and apply" and spend every day looking for affirmations that there life is awesome.

Guess where they are now? Right back where they started.

The pick up industry targets paying clients, regardless of their perceived levels in the 'game'. The goal is to help these credit card swiping clients achieve enough success during 2 days of monkeying around so that that they will log onto forums like this and offer positive testimonials instead of a middle finger and stories of failure. The million dollar question for the PU guru is, "How will I possibly turn this 25 year old Eunuch around?" These affirmations are not built for the client; they're created to support the aspiring entrepreneur's business model.

It is probably a false statement to say that 'affirmations do not work'. They do work incredibly well in the way that they should work. Affirmations are powerful enough to work up a bunch of 18 year olds to shoot other human beings. . . and you don't just moan it to yourself. You scream it loud with your chest out and fists pumping the sky. "Krauts, gooks, towel heads, animals, etc . . ." and "We are warriors, natural born killers, the army is my family, God's on OUR side, We're fighting for OUR COUNTRY, blah, blah, blah . . . " - and bang bang. Forget the political crap for that is another issue. Just take a look at the psychological ramifications of these statements. Go and take a look at any affirmations offered by some commercial pu folks. (See any similarities?)

Both the example above and generic commercial pu mantras (which are as fin notes, re-worded copy/pastes of their own crap) are usually attempts to dehumanize others, strengthen the self through non-existing associations and desensitize emotions through skewing of reality. Yes . . . it's absurd but this shit wouldn't be out there if it 'didn't work'. It does work. This is essentially an instant set of styrofoam balls for the guy who's got none.

The problem is . . . we're not trying to kill our targets, we're trying to befriend them.

Went out for the first time in a few weeks last night:

. . . I saw a guy get blown out of a set and it reminded me of this topic. Dressed well, he was confident enough to approach these ladies rather quickly. He stood there with his chest sticking out and rattled off a bunch of questions. I don't recall specifics but the odd thing was that he displayed absolutely no reactions. I don't get it. No smile, no pat on the shoulder, no "Wow, that's cool" or even a frown and "Oh, that's terrible." Just an uh, huh, and off to the next quiz.

I suppose if you're chatting with female #234 out of a bounty of millions and this is your 22nd sarge and each rejection is but a brick in your ehmm . . .'pu palace'? And you don't need any particular girl because they are all pretty much the same. (By the way, let's even take it to the most crass level; ever see two vagina that look or feel the same?) And let's just say that you were born to please wo-men and not wo-man . . . Hey, I'm a happy, happy, HAPPY man all by myself! Extremely sooooo happy by myself and so fucking proud of myself. Really just very, very proud. A proud, proud man . . . just born to please wo-men . . .

. . . Well, I suppose if these thoughts were circulating through my head, I wouldn't give a fuck what this girl was saying either.

. . . And it's amazing how dehumanization tends to draw equal defensive reactions. The guy took off when the girls were a few seconds from practically begging him to leave and then BLASTED the poor fella. There must have been something good about him. He was dressed well, tight haircut, pu stylie goat-tee . . and he must have said at least one thing that was OK . . . but no, the girls just went on and on about how he smelled awful, bad breath, had nothing to say, boring, stupid, and laughed away their discomfort.

Haha, I did read it again and I did notice I managed to miss out a few important vowels

My point was that some people, like you, stay in PUA long enough that they notice it is the same material over and over. When new DVD's come out etc

My second point was that, everyone else managed to get good enough with that 'same seminar over' material, that they left these forums and are now having a 'norma'l life. Or the life they had but now it has girls in it.

I hope you now understand what I was saying, basically just a small point that we have gotten to the point that we have noticed it is the same seminar

PS, you picked me up for my bad spelling so I am getting you back:

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"I guess a little small talks in order here now."

"Do I look like a gentleman to you in this shirt and these pants?"

"I know you from some place."

Hmm, see this is a clash of goals here. Take myself, I have under-gone massive changes in my personality, world-view, ability and social life. Yet still I'm here... Why? Well like many who stay in the game until they get married, we enjoy it, we enjoy sarging and discussing these things. It's quite interesting and we enjoy helping people in the community. BUT I have seen change in the PU world, and the PU world has changed, massively in the past 5-6 years that it was "formalised"; though I haven't seen much of the first three years as I wasn't around.

Some of us have no intentions to live a "normal" life, yet... becuase the current one is actually a lot of fun and highly educational.

One thing I have noticed is a trend to re-hash meaningless feel good speeches and then sell it for money.

------ Kasabi.

Well, I think you have to take the affirmations context into place, in the army, the affirmations are part of soemthing much larger.

If ten soldiers scream "I wanna kill gooks" that's not working just becuase the soldiers are screaming "I wanna kill gooks" it's more because each soldier looks around and see's the other 9 screaming "I wanna kill gooks"..

Classic conformity at work.

I follow you with the money point, but I think on this one you have lost track of your own thread, these products aren't out there because they work in the sense that they help people; they are out there becuase they work in the sense that they sell and give people an illusion of improvement which will make them log on in a forum and give it a thumbs up.

Too bad for them?

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I don't get the point of this thread

Fin are you trying to make a point that

A: There is too much rewriting of the same stuff from different gurus when it comes to inner game and that is bothering you

B: you have problems with your inner game that you are trying to fix but don't know how

C: Both

????

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Basicly he's saying that whatever you find on the forum in the different threads all resembles the same kind of information that already is located on the forum. If you are willing to search for it.

& He's laying out a "simple" plan to get yourself up to that state of which you can grow and where you are goal-oriented. Without making it too hard on yourself or demanding too much of yourself. Growing in a slow-steady rate is more viable than a fast-unstable rate.

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Actually, there are plenty of other things at 'work' in the army. They anchor their verbal affirmations with visual/physical exercises to stimulate all the senses. All that training in terrible conditions is not only to toughen them up, it's to associate their negative feelings of the enemy with all hardship they need to endure. I'd say that 'conformity' is one of the few things that almost most marketeers in every industry attempt to benchmark from the 'army experience'; this is in fact the one thing that can be done in a class room. You think they just give them a list of 10 things to say to themselves when they go back home? Even a business forum of nail salon owners will all scream in unison, "Sign them up for a 1 year contract. Sign them up for a 1 year contract."
We're probably talking about the same thing but I think we have a slightly different view:

1. We probably agree that these products help the entrepreneur the most.

2. If a guy comes up to you and tells you in your face, "I AM BEING HELPED". What do you tell him? What makes you a judge? The only thing we can do is identify what 'help' means to that particular person. If he could NEVER even squeak out a 'hello' to another person before and after a session of screaming #*$&@()!!, now he can, was he or was he not 'helped'? There's no illusion going on here. The man spoke . .

3. The example I offered in the initial reply is probably where these mindsets are headed.

4. The difference between what you prescribe and these affirmations is a higher level of understanding/focus of personal issues vs. removal of understanding and promoting ACTION (of any kind really . . . )

A: That whole discussion is irrelevant to the thread.

B: Not certain how you've come to that conclusion.

C: See A and B.

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It's in the actual title, have you even gotten close to reading the origonal post?

Three words: "Consistency over intensity"