Hello everyone (sorry for my English). I thought I might get some help and opinions here, this is my question:

Is there such a thing as "sarging methods" for girls?

I know, some of you will say "OMFG yes, it's called existing". That's not what Im talking about!

I have read some of these methods of yours for picking up girls, and actually some of those things are really suitable for seducing men too (in fact, many look really useful for all kind of social environments). But there are many things that cant be directly "translated" to "picking up" men, if you know what I mean (e.g. the whole "low her value" thing)

Everything you get about this in the internet is about getting a husband. That's not my point. In fact, "picking up hundreds of men", if we take and translate the main objective of regular sarging, is not at all my point either.

My point is: could a normal (6.5-7) girl improve her game to stand up among 8-9's? Are there developed things for this? What would you do?

(Please dont go "be really dirty", I have read you guys, I know you can do much better)

Thanks in advance!!

hahaha as long as you don't turn out like the last chick on these fourms we're cool

actually you can use the exact same tactics taught on this website for guys.

where you from?

could a normal (6.5-7) girl improve her game to stand up among 8-9's?
they already do with speed dating and cosmopolitan magazine and http://www.womenshappiness.com/

Are there developed things for this?
yes? lol. you choose to close the girl or not, or let her close you or not.

What would you do?
talk to her, maybe even number close her etc. besides it builds up social proof a little

I don't see why not. But I'm not a HD8+ so I can only conjecture "based on what guys want." It's worth noting that not all good looking men are actually skilled at dealing with women, so you shouldn't assume that a HD8+ "can have any woman he wants." Maybe he can, maybe he can't.
Wouldn't know / care.
First, I'd lose any extra weight. Most guys are visual and don't like fat chicks, especially if they're HD8+ themselves and keeping themselves up.

Second, I'd move to an urban area that has a surplus of men. This is typical in any computer oriented city, like Seattle or Raleigh, NC for instance. I'd move away from anywhere that has a surplus of women, like NYC.

Third, I'd dress in a style that's "hip" and mildly sexy. I wouldn't wear anything conservative. If you're competing against gals who have a lot more natural endowments than you do, then considering how visual most guys are, it's going to help to look good + potentially sexual. Doesn't have to be over the top or trashy. Guys have all the sexual imagination in the world, they just need to know that you're not frumpy and trying to "bitch shield" them with your clothes.

Fourth, I'd have something to say. Women with no brains are really boring. An intelligent guy thinks, ah crap, I gotta say all this dumb chick stuff, because we don't actually have anything in common and this is the only way I'm going to get into her pants. Wouldn't it be nice to meet a woman with enough upstairs that I've got a reason to not stare at her boobs.

Fifth, I'd actually say it. Make the 1st move. Guys have to do everything first. We start learning we have to make the 1st move all the way back in junior high. Some gals don't ever learn it, especially in more conservative parts of the country. In my life I can count the number of times a woman "opened me" on the fingers of one hand. In fact I can only remember one really clear example. She was cute but too chunky. If she was a little slimmer she would have had me. Ok, 2 examples. Got stalked back in college once. She was homely and odd.

Sixth, if you're doing a typical chick thing of making lots of long lists of requirements, I'd seriously evaluate what's important and what isn't. Yes we all must have standards, and you don't want to deal with skeezers who are total cheapskates or whatever the problem is. But it looks like many gals are driven to say "no." They don't know how / don't want / won't give themselves permission to say "yes." A woman actually wrote a racy book about this, called "The Year of Yes." I don't know how much was truth or fiction, but the sales pitch is, for 1 year she said "yes" to any date that wasn't a serial killer.

Women have such enormous power to get things done that it's pretty baffling to us guys that they won't, or think they can't.

HD? I hope it just means *hot dude* lol. And they say guys are visual...hmm

Anyways, cosmetics, nice clothes, smile, and you'll get approached. Then choose whoever you like and take it as far as you like.

I had this discussion with a female friend a while back. I reckon it's far more difficult for a girl to pick up a guy. It's acceptable behaviour for a guy to hit on a girl in most situations, even when they aren't interested to start with, but I genuinely can't think of many ways that a girl could pick up a guy who wasn't initially interested.

Basically, the guy's always meant to lead. If the girl leads, the guy feels less manly and associates those negative feelings with the girl. I guess the trick is to make the guy feel like he's leading. Look for ways to make the person you're hitting on ask you out, there'll be some methods around here.

I guess it's for this reason that girls spend so much time working out how to attract guys; they can only really try to make guys make a move. For guys, we can actually make the move. Assuming we get over AA.

Another thing that you'll also have to bear in mind is that most guys* will initially feel mightily uncomfortable when a girl approaches them. Expect them to talk absolute shit and make lousy jokes until they become comfortable. NB. you will not see a guy for what he is until you get him in the comfort zone.

Finally, some miscellaneous thoughts (more so than previous);
- Guys, when uncomfortable are far more likely to reach for the 'comedy' lifeline.
- In your favour; a girl can complain that a guy came on too strong (too sexual). A guy cannot make that complaint.
- A girl can play the maiden in distress role easily; "Hi, can you help me? I'm looking for the train station. You're going that way? I'm useless with directions, can you show me where it is? Damn, I think I missed my train. There's not another one for a couple of hours, do you know if there's a good coffee shop around here?" That'd catch even the shyest guy in the world.
- If he is very shy, consider staying in outer personal zones until you build comfort.

*Although, attractiveness is based on things other than looks, more so for girls we're told, and alpha behaviour (eg.confidence) will probably be common for guy 9s and 10s (wow, I feel dirty for even discussing rating guys).

edit - a lot of this written as someone who was apparently 'cute', but extremely shy!

edit 2 - Guys go for appearance. Get a healthy BMI. Avoiding being underweight is as important as not being overweight; lightweights cannot hold their drink and being able to hold your drink is a major DHV.

Thank you so much, many of the things you have written are the kind of stuff I was looking for. There have been some misunderstandings too: I dont want to pick up girls, Im straight! I guess my English is kind of rusty and I appreciate the effort you all make to understand it! (btw I come from Spain)

I think that maybe this thread can be useful to other girls in my situation, and maybe it can be fun for some of you to give advice to a girl for a change, so I'll try to go deeper into this and see what we can get from it.

Briefing, I think that my personal target would be to sketch how would a "magnetic personality" or avatar be for a girl, since not everything written for men can work both ways. I'm already pretty good on some of the things you've said, but I think it always can be "optimised" when planned slowly (and with male help ).


I think one of the problems when adapting sarging methods is that these methods assume that you're going to like A LOT of girls and would almost equally hit any of them. For girls it doesnt work that way, since there are only quite a few men we "can" like at once (not necessarily "alpha", personally I kinda go for the weird ones), I think that the "all girls are disposable" thing couldnt be applied as easily. What changes do you think this would imply?

FWIW, Dalila, you are my new DHV story. Except 'you' are actually my niece. And you're asking me because you reckon I'm a ladies man. Ta

Anyhow, back to the topic at hand- disposable men. Theory dictates that men have a genetic disposition to spread their seed as far as possible. It's little effort for them. Women on the other hand need to devote considerable resource to child bearing and rearing. Men therefore want to have as many mates as possible, women only one.

Although that's not so much the case any more, genetics haven't caught up (feelings caused by genetic learning?) and society also hasn't caught up.

You can treat guys as disposable, but bear in mind that you will be looked down upon by other women.

edit - re. magnetic personality. That's sort of what I was getting at above; A guys wants to flirt with a girl, he walks up to and starts talking to a girl. A girl wants to hit on a guy, she has to make him make the first move (eye contact, smile etc). If he doesn't have confidence, he won't hold eye contact & approach.

A big, confident smile and attention to the present moment are huge turn-ons for me. A 7 with a confident smile who is paying attention to the conversation is suddenly an 8 or a 9.

Also, I think these are two major things most guys have trouble with (especially when they are interested in a particular girl):

1. Starting a conversation.
2. Touching.

If you can start a conversation with a man that you like, and be able to calmly touch him (not sexual--for example, grabbing his elbow when you are laughing at one of his jokes, or touching his shoulder when you start to tell him a story) you will get a lot of things rolling. Eye contact is even better. My best friend in school was natural at this (touching and eye contact), and she never understood why so many guys were in love with her.

On the times I've been approached by girls who like me, all they had to say was "Hi."

Good luck! Let us know how this goes for you.

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But that's the idiocy of it. Some guys may feel that way, but others do not. This is 2011. Gender equality in dating went mainstream in the 90s, i.e. "going dutch." Moreover, inexperienced men don't have these patterns embedded into them yet. Go hit on whoever you want to already. There are a lotta guys out there who are far more interested in sex than feeling like they're wearing the pants.

From a guy's perspective, we start learning in middle school that it's our job to stand up, grow a pair of balls, get shot down, fail, and try again with the next gal. This PUA stuff is nice but many of us learned the basics through sheer brute force, trying and trying and trying over and over again. What's so special about a gal that she should shield herself from that? Go out and fail honey. Gals have amazing advantages for getting stuff done, but they have to be bold enough to do it.
This is sounding like such a complete crock of shit that I think it's great material for a conversation. "Have you ever initiated conversation with a guy that you liked? What happened?"

Just speaking from personal experience and observations.