Hi guys,

Im in a situation where i am probably too far into the friend zone with a girl who i started to like a few weeks ago but who i have known for years. I have let her know how i feel about her and when i did she kept making excuses such as 'you are too good for me' (so fucking cliche i hated it) and saying she is loving being single but still didn't rule it out completely, mind you she is about a couple months out of a long term relationship so i can see her point.

This is where it gets even worse though, she has told me she is kind of interested in this other guy although i think more so as an open type relationship. She is yet to tell him she is interested and what makes me even more confused is that when i ask her how things are going with him she acts like she is not interested as well as making a clear point to me that when she goes out and kisses guys she does it because 'for that small moment she feels love'.

Also every day since i told her she has initiated conversation whether it be phone, FB or when out. Just want to get you guys' opinions on whether she is actually interested in me right now and is just not wanting a relationship or whether she is not interested and just trying to be nice since we are good friends and what are some tips to move around these obstacles.

Cheers

This is pretty much a clear case of just needing to step up,
her stating that she is interested in someone but the denying it when asked is just her way of trying not to look to available or easy. The whole conversation about kissing and feeling loved is just saying "kiss me stupid". she is giving more than enough IOI's
In this situations since you are already friends you don't want to throw to strong of negs, Just invite her somewhere that you can hang alone, should not be to hard since your already friends, play a little push/pull and role reversal, letting her know that she would be your type if she only did this (like how she says your too good for her) "Only give one reason"and not a real one or she will feel insecure, my favorite, I'm only down with a girl who can give a good hand massage which I state, "I am picky that way" Usually they will say I give great hand massages or I never had one. I either have them prove it by just offering my hand and then after grab there's and do it, (never asking) or if they never had one, I just take there's and say pay attention. It's great cause it is excellent kino. the feeling of hands rubbing against each other gives the feeling of holding hands and also of course the rubbing motion on the hands are sensual. Make sure if your watching t.v or anything pause or shut it off , that way it is just you two, no distraction unless it is just music that is at a med to low level. from there just escalate kino and build sexual comfort and test for right moment, moving hair or whatever and then go in for the kiss and your in.

Later.




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Cheers for the advice but i really don't think it is as simple as that. She had given me IOI's before i told her that i fancied her and yet when i told her she really wasn't interested. I honestly think if she had of been interested she would have made more of it then, she isn't the type to play hard to get. That's where i am now confused though since she has been hanging with this other guy a bit yet doesn't mention it anymore. Negs seem to be just too friendly now so they don't work plus she really isn't much for KINO (she is very conservative physically).

Im not sure whether i should be DLV on her by showing less interest when it seems as though im in competition with this guy. Any more thoughts or still the go for it call?

One of the toughest parts about knowing the target is that we over analogize the situation too much, and you also have to play hard to get. the reason she seemed not interested anymore is because the challenge was over when you told her how you feel. The challenge has to remain until the close. Don't be the shoulder to lean on and don't come when called, this is what the Bestie (guy that takes on the role of a girlfriend) does. Don't be afraid to be dis-agreeable this shows you have your own thoughts and are confident. Ask her instead to get you something when she gets up, don't offer to get her anything, make her validate herself to you, but not in a "hey do this to see if you will" kinda way. just when she gets up say "hey babe grab me a drink" things like that, also every women plays hard to get, and from how you describe she is very good at it. If you look at all the things that men are taught here you can see that she is doing it naturally (most women do) And kino works on all women, it is just a matter of transitioning and making it natural and comfortable for her. Build comfort and sexual intrigue/tension and go for it once you feel she is ready for the kiss. Don't hesitate, the first chance it seems right, do it. Women can sense hesitation in a man and that shows lack of confidence and lowers your value in her eyes.

Later.

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From personal experience....

You can either man up and tell her how you feel.
Get a little tipsy and you have an out...
OR
You can do nothing and nothing happens..
OR
You can man up and tell her how you feel... no alcohol involved...

This will either ruin your friendship due to the adverse tension created and she will think you used her to get her in bed... Giving her a false idea of you and basically destroys ever talking to her again...

OR

She will embrace your idea... and give it a shot.

It all depends on the girl... unfortunately its a high risk/high reward conversation. If you DON'T tell her how you feel. Your friendship from the day you began liking her has been a forgery. So you should come clean either way...

Remember this girl knows you. So be completely honest.

that's the thing though, i have told her how i feel yet i didn't get much of a response in the way of a rejection although it was basically that. That's where i am stumped on where to go from here

Words never hold up like action! Tell her how to feel and/or tell her you've wanted to kiss her all night because you want to know if this is going somewhere. Get your concrete answer and move on.

Jealousy is also a dying commodity. Pick up a girl when you are out with her if you plan to tell her at a later time. Everytime you pick up a girl in front of one that you are friend zoned with, a tiny shred of jealous arises. Build up the jealousy and her personal views of being high value. Be high value and you stand a much better chance of takeover.

Make sense?