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1. So you have no right to act like your pious enough to know her relationship to the point that you can make better decisions than her about her own private life
LOL to me this is the most ridiculous statement because it doesn't even help your argument. In fact from my perspective it supports mine. You can make better decisions than her about her own personal life, you convince her to have sex when she has already used the statement I have a boyfriend. You see this as creating a detour, I see no reason to cross this bridge.
Yeah because I wrote everywhere you are a terrible person if you sleep with a girl with a boyfriend. Where did I write this? Honestly. Perhaps I have learned this lesson personally and I wish to share it with others so that they don't make the same mistakes I have. I have destroyed friendships because some drunk night I had sex with a girl and then she started dating now an ex-friend a little later. This didn't just happen once. To me it was a stupid mentality from them but emotions generally force you to make somewhat illogical decisions.
I even said it is cool for you to believe what you want. Guess that wasn't good enough for you though. I said to dismiss my opinion if you'd like. I wrote my reasons for creating relationships. I wrote why I enjoy and prefer to create relationships. I made recommendations to others so that they can realize what they can get for not doing it. There are rewards for doing it which is sex, there are rewards for not having sex. One of those things is building relationships, in some cases building relationships with phenomenal advantages.
2. You are the one stating what is best for someone else's relationship not me. I said to leave someone else's relationship alone. You appear to think I am arrogant for feeling I don't have the right to have sex with any girl in a relationship, so yes I am quite arrogant in that way. I will enjoy being arrogant if this is what you consider it.
3. So because I am not willing to nail another girl, she is considered his property? WOW, You have fell so far off the mark it is ridiculous. Your stating this from the furthest out reach of the statement it is quite impressive. She will make her personal decision. She will tell you whether she has a bf or not, that was a personal decision. A decision I respect, sorry I do.
Sound as if I am stroking someone's dog lol. WOW You truly just don't like me, that is all I get out of how far your comments fall off the mark. How far your comments fall from what I said. How much you have assumed about my statements is outstanding. It is disappointing that I have to write these long ass posts because you are so arrogant you make opinions and assumptions about what I said. You feel this is a personal attack, I proved a point, sorry about that.
4. You are talking about fucking a girl with a partner. I am talking about not fucking a girl with a partner. I like how you misconstrue the fact that I gave reasoning but as I said because you don't like me you seen it as me being a show off not proving a point. Thanks for reading it differently though. I do things for a reason, not to qualify for you or anyone else on this forum, helping people is one of the reasons I come on here. Getting help is the other. This was a helpful statement because it teaches people that you can get more from not interfering in other people's relationships.
Hound them til they cave? LOL You really are quite self righteous for you to infer I am thinking of myself that way. You continue trying to have sex with a girl after she has told she doesn't want to because she has a BF. If she didn't tell you that is fine. Not your business, however if she did she asked you to back off and you didn't take the hint, in fact you refused it.
5. This is a disagreement that won't ever be solved, we both have our perspective and I have asked you to dismiss mine. You have refused to do so. I ended my argument with the fact that this is and will be an ongoing disagreement. Why do we need to further compare? It really is a waste of both of our time, neither of us will convince the other.
Your emotions own your posts. It almost sounds more as if you are making excuses to do it. That is fine, but I don't make excuses. It is fun though, you have lost control with your arrogance and assumptions. Your disdain for me is truly the reason you have ignored me stating my opinion is dismissible. Yet you feel obligated to prove me wrong with far fetched assumptions about statements that are asinine.
If how you write is how you talk you likely have pissed off a lot of people in your daily life. I have undoubtedly done so as well, however this is how I learned these lessons. Though you are doing something for selfish reasons making an excuse to fuck another girl, I am the arrogant one. Do you even realize how ignorant you appear? She makes a personal choice to cheat, I completely agree, but you make a choice to influence her decision and her personal life. You feel you have the right to do so for a night of sex, I don't feel as if I have that right. As I said continue on with your mentality.
I wish to build relationships. You will enjoy your life as it rolls with your mentality as I will enjoy how my life rolls with my mentality.
You've made assumptions while I've evoked emotions, obviously by the fact that you put it in red. Perhaps you are under estimating my intelligence and why I am doing things. I have evoked a lot of emotion, I like how you comment on something that you cut out. Sounds pretty illogical yeah? You can tell I definitely some how got under your skin though I am some unimportant idiot on the internet. Congrats though, you missed the whole lesson my statements were there for. Rather then seeing it as what you can get for not, you seen it as me commenting on you being a terrible human being. This is not a personal attack but a tactic to prove my point. Perhaps you feel guilty? I never inferred you are a terrible human being. You think I believe you to be that, probably says more about how you feel about yourself.
Perhaps I thought you had better control of your emotions. More confidence in yourself. I didn't expect you to react like this, sorry to have higher expectations.
As I said you know your stuff and at this point it is the point where we agree to disagree. Both of us are far to stubborn to secede to the other so I find it best to end the argument here. Though we can continue to argue if you'd prefer.
Peace
1. She is a girl, she happens to have a boyfriend, she also wants to fuck you. Where did you come from with such an understanding of her life that you can decide better than she did?
You've STILL failed to answer that.
2. Who's talking about the right to have sex with any girl? You have the right in so far as she gives you it. She's giving it to you, she is a mature and straight thinking girl.
Do you not think she is qualified to make those kinds of decision on her own?
3. It's the fact that you seem to think the girl in herself cannot be trusted to make her mind up about who she sleeps with, that forces you to defend your awkward position.
I speceficaly said "if you are not willing to fuck her because she has a boyfriend
that is fine."
4. We're not talking about sleeping with a girl who rejected you on the premis she had a boyfriend.
5. I haven't dissmissed yours, you similarly have not dismissed mine, if you truly were pulling the "lets agree to disagree card" you wouldn't be posting right now.
Actions speak louder than words, and all that jazz. You think this is as important an issue as I do, that's why you're typing a response.
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I could spend all day doing the same Doctor PUA Diagnosis thing you're trying with me. I could talk about how you try to justify yourself at every turn with long winded posts on this forum about inner game and "making value" and "building relationship" only to in this argument betray your true nature by validating yourself to me showing what a pathetic life you must lead.
BUT -and here's the kicker- I can't make that judgement, becuase I haven't met you, hell even if I did, there is no guarantee I'd make out much more than how you dress and act.
You could be all you say and more, or you could be like alot of posters here, alot less than you say.
I just don't know, you could be running a first class business, or on your way to a first class honours at harvard or running a harem of 10 bi-sexual super-models.
It's the same to what we are talking about here, you just don't know what's going on! I'm going to go into a little tangent about an adventure I had two years ago to explain...
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I was spending the weekend with my american football team I was in at an away game down in england, we were all from scotland so we were naturally staying the night. Unfortunatly our coach had booked too few rooms, with myself and two others in the last room, we played a game of rock paper siccors which I promptly lost, thus deciding that I would be sleeping on the floor. I had some game experience and as it was a large hotel we were staying in decided to check out the bar, maybe if I got lucky I could get a bed.
After about an hour or so, I found a young woman, middle aged, me being 18 at the time, I didn't think it was going to work, but, it did, much to the amusement of my team-mates.
I climb into bed with this woman (I really have shortend this story it's quite complex but largely irrelevant) and we lie there and cuddle up, and start talking.
Deep shit, turns out the reason this women is in a hotel is she a prostitute, she escaped an abusive husband last year with her 4 now 5 year old son and with the recession tightening even though she had two degrees both related to chemical engineering, she couldn't find a decent job that would support herself and her son in a lifestyle she felt her son deserved. Consequently she had found prositution to be a way to help gain money on the side and make ends meet.
The guy who had booked the room hadn't shown -apparently it's quite common for first timers to get cold feet- and so, here we were.
I don't know if you've ever met anyone like that, but this woman was worn with this toughness but she was at the same time so frail. I'll spare you the details but, she had been through degrading, painful, scary and humiliating shit neither of us can even begin to imagine.
I didn't fuck her, I thought that she had spent enough time being fucked around, the last thing she needed was a one night stand with an 18 year old american football player who would be on the other side of the country in two days time.
I've always asked myself, maybe I should of shown her some more affection that night, maybe it would have been good if she had been free for one night to have sex with someone who wasn't involved in a business transaction, someone who just appreciated her for being her. I mean, this woman just thinking about her takes my breath away. I really hope that if I ever really have to suffer
then I can take it with her level of bravery and solidness. I truly regret not showing her more affection than I did that night where we just talked.
In truth though...
I didn't know then, and with all the 20/20 hindsight vision in the world, I don't know now. I still think about her, what happened, and what she was feeling after that night, what she thought of me, and what affect or lack of affect my actions or lack of actions had had on her.
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The thing is, you can't expect yourself to understand people, you can't make the "best choice" becuase it is never the best choice, if your honest, it is your choice.
People need to be their own saviour, it's a common theme in modern therapy.
So stop worrying about what the next guy or girl is doing and just try and keep your shit straight, cause at the end of the day, that's the only thing we will ever be even close to understanding.
I'm not saying "don't help out"; just never assume that you understand another persons position.
CHAT
