Why do I hear PUAs say "leave her better than you found her" and at the same time they think getting with a girl that has a boyfriend is fine.

This is just my opinion but getting a girl to cheat with you and possibly ruining a relationship just so you can leave her at the end of the night and be with someone the next isn't quite leaving her better than you found her. It's hypocritical.

Can someone explain this to me?

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Nothing in pick up applies to all women. There's no such thing as rejection... they're just playing hard to get.

leaving her better than you found her: you leave her sexually satisfied

lol but for real, i feel this law "leave her better than you found her" is more of a preventive law to make sure Puas don't take advantage of their social skills to "destroy" women.

as for their contradiction, i can't explain. Personally, I never followed that rule, so i can't defend it...

She is not happy in her relationship... or else she would never have gone home with you. If you do take her home, you show her exactly the way she SHOULD be treated as a woman, giving her the option to:
A) continue to destroy herself with a nowhere relationship
B) finally realize she isn't happy, and move on to better pastures.
C) try to instill the characteristics that you have into her man.

Ultimately it is HER decision, but you are providing a very clear perspective for her to make a decision about her personal life, and about what she WANTS.

Better then you found her.

(Men who are getting with women other then reason, are scum, and are not following the rule. They are simply doing it, to "prove they can," which is only feeding their ego. Men like that are who give PUAs and the community a bad name. Fuckers)

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"Everyone's got a little captn in 'em"

The dynamics regarding a girls relationship will be something you won't for sure.
If she gives you the option, obviously something is lacking in the relationship otherwise you wouldn't be there with her...doing the (insert special move than makes her knees buckle when thinking of what you did to her last night here!)

As the others said, show her what you have to offer...plain and simple, besides, she is making the decision, you are just making yourself available.

Now for women that are not in relationships, again, same applies. They could have had a series of bad relationships or dates...again, show them a good time, never convey neediness and be that fun time alpha GOD that all girls want and if it doesn't work out...then gracefully walk away. Try not to leave on bad terms or have a nasty phone or text war...just say, it was great...wish you the best and that's it.

"leave her better than you found her" ... why not? It's why we got into this to begin with, right? Well, it's why I did.

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You can't make the same mistake twice, the second time you make it, it's no longer a mistake, it's a choice.

^ditto.

You should never make assumptions, i.e. don't assume that a girl with a BF is in a happy, productive, healthy relationship. If she is, you'll notice and would have to consciously work to get an in (if you'll ever get one). Lots of girls I know are in relationships because their self esteem can't take being single for long, because they settle for the next best option, because they think a BF makes them more desirable, because they just made up the BF to gauge your reaction, etc. Taking any of them home would tend to make them better off.

Bottom line, unless you're purposely intruding into a strong relationship because you have strong game, I don't see a contradiction.

Well,the kinda society we live in. Being in a relationship is the ''cool thing'' and if you're not,you're considered a lowlife. Due to this pathetic mentality,women often settle for losers or guys who just dont deserve them so as to avoid judgement by their friends and such. Trust me,you're doing her a favour by rescuing her from her relationship.

Often,the said BF is made up by her,to test your determination in pursuing her. Don't let it bother you. She brings it up,push the matter aside by saying ''Yeah. So,what's your point? I go out for fun with other people too.''

As for that ''Leave her better than you found her'', its an ethical rule. You just make her realise that she's worth much better than the person she's settled for and that should be your aim during pick-up. Other excuses are just that.. excuses.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

To those who see it as ok....

This is my rule:

If you ain't building relationships, you are tearing them down.

You guys seem to find ways to justify things. Be real man, when is it ever cool to mess with someone else's personal life? Who are you to make decisions regarding their life? That is an utterly selfish mentality and what goes around comes around.

You guys are so busy making excuses to do things, you don't realize you are trying to find excuses to do something. Let's face it if you have to find excuses to do it you likely shouldn't be doing it. Their is never really a justification to hurt someone.

You guys will do far more good for yourselves and others by not ruining other people's situations for your night of fun. You need to get over yourself if you feel you are cool to ruin a relationship so you can amuse yourself for a short period of time, for some of you this maybe as little as a couple of minutes, then you are sadly mistaken. You aren't by any means "The Man" for such tasks. Be a stand up person and you will get far more in your life.

Sorry to offend you guys and I assume this will spark a nasty conversation. This is just my opinion and you are welcome to dismiss it.

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Blogging again living life: http://www.Scienceofnaturalgame.com

Let's be honest, most PUAs couldn't use their social skills to destroy A woman.


As for the real post...



I've been on both sides of the fence to this. I was seeing a girl (exclusive) and she slept with a guy when I was drunk and asleep in the other room.

I was quite angry and decided I deserved better, and instead I began to get more girls to forget about her. Eventually, I realised that if I had stuck with this one girl I wouldn't have had the experiences and learning curve through my own trial and errors with lots of girls. Because of that guy, I am now quite capable of seducing a woman instead of wasting my time with a cheating slut.

Fast forward to present day after sleeping with lots of both single and taken girls I now have a girlfriend. Loads of guys hit on her but I don't really care. I don't believe any of them can get her and I trust her not to.

If a girl is going to cheat, she's going to cheat. Rather sooner than later right? Might as well be with you too.

Here is your inner game problem. So, you're implying hooking up with you isn't the better thing for her?

Also, this is very true. You're not making her cheat. She'll only do it if she wants to (eg.: isn't in a happy relationship or whatever).
Even if you use advanced persuasion including Hypnosis, the subconscious mind is where her morals are. If she has any respect for the guy even in trance she won't cheat.

So, assuming she's not satisfied and is giving you an open door to her pussy, you're leaving her better than you found, because you're a good guy, aren't you?

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

If you guys were actually as good at "The Game" as you say you are you wouldn't feel the need, ever, to lead someone to cheat. Every one of you (besides poetic and OP) ought to reconsider. There are way too many single girls out there to mess with two people's lives.

You all sound ridiculous. I hope you realize this.




Let me ask you... for all your rule-making and bizarre interpretations of social norms (as in "relationships are a beta-male creation so they don't have to compete with alphas like us") have you ever considered that you are merely reinforcing these "beta" relationships when you do this?

If girls didn't have any options to cheat, they would never remain in these supposed poor relationships to begin with. They'd be single.


Or does that sound too strange for you to swallow?

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- Lux et Veritas -

Are you seriously suggesting that a man should not go for a taken girl in the vain hope that it will inspire other men to do the same so that women don't have the option to cheat?

You should also read my post properly, in no way do I say that ""relationships are a beta-male creation so they don't have to compete with alphas like us".

Neither is a guy getting with a taken girl a bizarre interpretation of social norms. It happens all the time (the opposte is true too).

Seriously guys. If someone is really happy and truly in love in a relationship she won't cheat on her boyfriend. Period.

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What I like in life is nothing more but living it.

And that's the point. Here's a novel thought for our morality buffs: Aren't you degrading the woman by assuming that she's like a piece of fruit you can pick up off the floor or not? Whatever happened to autonomy. I firmly believe that women in happy, fulfilling relationships won't cheat. The ones that do make those decisions themselves, usually for reasons unbeknown to you. Let her make her own decisions and don't pretend that you have any business second guessing them. All you can do is worry about your own end, your own relationships, and your own decisions.

No. That was hyperbole. I intended to counter-balance the oft-repeated notion that somehow relationships are not normal/only for "betas" if you're a player/PUA/alpha/whatever.

My comment about "bizarre interpretations of social norms" was directly correlated to the idea expressed above, the social norm being a relationship. It had nothing to do with cheating.

And trixsta, I wasn't confronting you. I can read, and you didn't bring up that idea. I didn't reference your post.

Anyway, I can't think of anything less manly than knowingly leading someone to break their word of bond and cheat on their significant other. If you're a real man you contribute to the integrity of the people in your company, among other things.

I don't respect people who cheat. That includes girls I'm trying to hook up with. If she has a boyfriend and is dishonest enough to be trying to hook up with me, and I find out about it, instant disrespect. But maybe that's just me.

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- Lux et Veritas -

Ah I see. You didn't reference but you said everyone bar two people.

I don't think there is a moral high ground on either side of the fence. If a girl is in a happy relationship, she won't cheat. If she isn't, she will. If she isn't, then the relationship is going to end anyway, so it is better for the guy (like I said, I've been that guy so it's not baseless - I do believe that).

I don't mind guys hitting on my girl. The only time I've ever been bothered is when she rejected him yet he still made crude and vulgar suggestions.