Trotyl I respect your opinion and mostly agree with it. However I'm just saying what some of the girls told me. And some shy guys open up with a little push I can tell you that (I used to be the shy guy). My firs real kiss was initiated that way, by girl being the first to make the move and I'm very glad she did, but I just didn't manage to pull a lesson from that (and that is that I'm just as good as anybody).

Well, in Brazil, I know 3 women who study the game. We call them as FPUAs, I mean, Female Pickup Artists - okay, all my knowledge is from Brazil, I don't know if this word exists here

Anyway, it is nice have women learning the game. All those social robots will be disqualified from the Genetical Race - quoting Mystery - and the guys who can think OUTSIDE the canned material... Will be sucessful!

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I think this is spot on. I find it hard to believe that any PUA would ever argue this. After all, this is exactly the kind of persona that we're trying to convey. I think most good-looking guys are alphas just because they know they look good, therefore they are confident, which is in turn the reason why girls find them attractive. So their good looks are only indirectly connected to their popularity with girls (well, yes, there is probably a direct connection as well, as girls find that good looks are a plus, but this effect is far smaller than that of the inner-game boost that good-looking guys get).

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Trotyl - Athletic body w/e i still don't care. You can be chubby and still be hot as long you send me the right signals.
And thank you. I made it up my self LOL!

I like the name FPua's! Sounds good.

I hope you got your answer tbrady10!

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BaconBisquit, did you just change your name to BaconBoobs for just a few minutes or am I high on something and therefore a momentary sexist?

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Lmao - No i did.

On the chat we were talking about that i should take a picture with my boobs wrapped in bacon = the name baconboobs.
All fun though. It would be crazy to do it in here
lol

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ya..u make some good points!

the more im in this game the more i realize looks dont matter as much as guys think they do..

i had girls crawling over me last halloween because of my shirtless costume i wore..however only 1 girl turned into something worthwhile

it was my game that i didnt have at full throttle..so it is true when a girl says she doesn't really care about the body of guy (of course its nice) but personality, social status, and what she said protection is what girls mainly want, looks jus give you head start towards proving your confidence!

ps i hate the game that u girls play...and how chasing makes u want them more!! lol. but thats why its called the game! i tend to notice younger girls like to chase and be chased more and older girls are not so much into that! which i like

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why I'm here?
- advice on gaming girls (and in some cases guys)
- scientific interest / general insight in dating and attraction
- insight in male perspective

And to everyone who says girls
- ALWAYS give bad advice
- don't have to game, cos it's ALL visual
- shouldn't be / aren't attracted to shy men
- are only attracted by confidence not physique, looks, intelligence, hobbies etc.

THE world is not black and white. Gender roles are not black and white. Not all men and women have the same dating preferences. And preferences are just preferences and usually not an All-or-nothing thing.
Attraction is based on many factors and depending on the woman/ man, some are more or less important.
So PU can give you general guidelines, tendancies what is more or less likely to work, but in the end it depends on the individuals.

Yes, finding a guy attractive has very little to do with whether or not he is actually attractive. Women are far more interested in a man's aura (as hippie as that sounds) and charisma.

Am I perhaps the only guy who says that PU for girls is usefull?

I have a good female friend, she is somewhat like a 7. She is very fun and easy going, and is someone who talks easy about anything of sex with guys.
She is very into guys, especialy hot guys and models, but she is not a slut at all.
Sometimes when she goes out, she says to me in advance "i'm going to kiss 2 guys". Few days after, she comes back, telling me she only kissed one guy, but to compensate that, she also kissed a girl (just for the fun of it).
Then she brings out her iPhone, shows me these pictures of a good looking player dude with a girlfriend, only to show me many text messages of him which are so AFC.
I often call her a player now .
She has now a boyfriend with whom she is very happy (she initiated their first kiss :p).

Beside of that, guys do judge a lot by looks. But if girls are too easy, they just seduce her, fuck her, dump her, and bragg about her to his friends.

I can believe that many girls don't want to be treated that way.
That's why game is usefull to girls, it teaches them how to make guys work harder for her and a relation. People value things more that are scarce to get.
"Push and pull" is a technique which many girls naturally use, especially the hot arrogant girls who likes her pets and to be adored. I've been push & pulled quite a lot by girls in the past and I remember how much I hated it, because it was so damn effective. I got many oneitis because of that.
I shouldn't recomend girls to use it always, but if there is this player dude, who has a reputation of having a lot of girls regularly, using push and pull to make him work for you may make him more faithfull (he will not dump someone for who he has fought so hard for).
Think of Style's girlfriend Lisa in "The Game": she is a perfect example of a female player.

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Fair, indeed ahaha