I find your "you have to be fucked up in the head to be good with women" rather disturbing.


Women aren't currency.

You dont know much about pua if you think all of us are "uncapable". No duh we can be dependable life partners. Many guys on this forum are. If the girl is special to you than great go for it. Don't accuse guys of having a tag em and bag em mindset. Its just very different with virgins thats something you dont understand. Put a lot more thought into how different a virgin girl is sexually compared to any guy virgin or not. Then put some thought into how a womans orgasm may be different than a guys. If your a Casanova expert on woman than you should know this.

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I understand where you're coming from, because I've been there myself. Nonetheless, Chief's post is hilarious.
If you're ONLY looking for sex, why have sex with a virgin? It's like a commitment, if you want no-strings-attached sex look somewhere else.

Holy shit. I think I'm in the the message board twilight zone. It's like everything I say people read it exactly the opposite. Read with your brain, not your feelings. Look, I'm sorry I'm coming down on Chief, I respect that he's a moderator and as such I think he is in a position of authority and I expect him to be better informed than a lot of the newbies that come in here. It's also his role on this site to streamline the information here. But he's also human and therefore fallible, if he says something that is blatantly wrong, I don't think I'm stepping out of line when I correct it with hard facts.

The virgin topic is pretty controversial and remember when I said I AGREE THAT YOU SHOULDN'T USE A VIRGIN FOR NO STRINGS SEX BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN EVER USING A WOMAN FOR JUST SEX. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH? THIS IS THE TENTH TIME I SAID IT. Stop arguing with your feelings and use logic, will you. I disagree with Chief that you should just not have sex with a virgin PERIOD because I don't believe in throwing a person away over a flap of skin. Get it?

Sorry I talk so much everyone, I know it makes me hard to follow, but I WOULD THINK THIS CLEARS IT UP.

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Quote me the exact line where I said that, Vaj. Good luck with that.

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There's the insinuation of 'the more you have of women, the less you will value them'. It could be misplaced, but this is still worth mentioning:

Isn't because of economics. It's because people can be so egotistical they objectify HUMAN BEINGS.

Yes, humans have agenda's. And that's not a bad thing. Neither is it a bad thing to keep those agenda's in mind.

I'm not going to judge whether ALL virgins have the expectation of the guy staying around. But if they do, is it such a bad thing to say no?. NOT BECAUSE SHE'S A VIRGIN. But because she could get hurt that way.


And that goes for relationships and other situation where people might get hurt ASWELL.

i was trying to explain to him about this but i realised quickly he's got his own problems or trying to prove to himself he's better than the rest of us because maybe a lot of this reflects on him.

notice how he's basically made up points and misinterpreted the thread wrong, even mentioning he used to find women disrespectful to women etc

Now he's trying to reinforce the fact that he does not use people, even though nobody questioned him about it.

guys just trying to prove something to himself. let him be. He will not listen to anyone.

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-Seth (Superbad)

Good call, I concede defeat on that one. Economics does not only refer to money, it also refers to valuable commodities like human resources. That said, I still don't equate a woman to a bale of cotton and I don't demonstrate her value in US dollars. I'd rephrase it, but I already splintered the main thread enough.

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No, go ahead.

human resources=/=human beings

You seem to objectify alot.

This is an interesting discussion and I'm trying to listen to everyone. You guys think I'm misinterpreting the topic and putting words in chief's mouth, fine. I said a lot, it was stupid to think people would read it all. Lets just drop everything and go back to the topic.

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Actually, human resources DOES EQUAL human beings, it just doesn't take into account all the individuality. I tried to make peace with you Vaj, but if you're offended by a badly worded, simplified analogy, then be offended. I'll be happy to keep arguing, though, just PM me.

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Also worth mentioning:

The more you know about women, the less you know about one.

Every woman has a story, and each woman has something to offer you. "The more you have of something, the less you value it" is a fine theory to keep note of when you're studying economics, but a woman isn't an "it".. they aren't things, all made, processed, and packaged the same way. Each woman is an individual, with whom you share an individual experience.


EDIT: Ok, I see I got to this a few minutes late since you've already responded to Vaj's post. But yeah.


-Roz

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NOTE: I'm taking a break from the site, and hence will not be responding to any messages!

Hahahaha.

Yes, Roissy doesn't always apply to virgins unless you want to crush their souls for years to come.

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Well, spank my ass and call me Sally. Shit makes more sense to me now. I had some cognitive dissonance with the whole dichotomy of thinking that women release oxytocin while men only showed extremely varying degrees of vasopressin, but now you've helped me settle that cognitive dissonance.
No, no, please continue...unless this is just your ego's response to you sensing that you're on the brink of learning something new yourself, therefore challenging your current self-view.

If you want to continue further down the rabbit hole, read on:

Let's play a game of pretend.

If we lived in a world where people constantly misinterpret what other people say over the internet, what would that be like? Let's pretend we live in a world where one person named "minsok" read something that a person named "Chief" wrote and made assumptions about Chief that were incorrect.

Could something like this be possible?

If something like this were to happen, let's say some other people jumped in to say some other things to this "minsok," and in response he went off and created a vast network of arguments that may or may not have anything to do with the original content that Chief posted about, or, rather, may or may not have anything to do with the main point that this "Chief" fellow was trying to make. Could this type of reality be possible?

I have a girlfriend. One girlfriend. Exclusive LTR. Been together for more than half a year now.

Knowing this little twist in our tale, maybe you can derive a different message from your initial misinterpretations if you re-read this thread.

I hope this doesn't shut you up because there's a message in what you're saying that I want to get across to everyone else, too. What you're saying just happens to be disguised as unwelcome negativity, but it plants a seed nonetheless.

Did I call myself a PUA before? I sure did. Was I looking for a LTR? Nope. Did a LTR happen anyway? It sure did. Do I call myself a PUA now? Fuck if I know.

As a PUA, would I ever plan to have a LTR with a girl? No.
Do PUAs generally avoid exclusivity? Yes.
Do non-PUAs generally avoid exclusivity? No, not really.
Do PUAs want to break hearts? No.
Would it have been wise, as a PUA, to avoid fucking virgins if I didn't know which way the wind would blow, especially when I tended to keep a lot of romantic interests in my life? Yes.

Pretty sure everyone else already got that point. It really has nothing to do with value or objectification, but rather making sure no one suffers the consequences of getting dragged into something that they had other sorts of expectations for.

I'm glad you're with me on the oxytocin thing now. It happens to me that I have sex with a girl and actually do bond with her, which is how that trick of nature is meant to work.

There's an easy way not to drag a virgin into something she doesn't want. That is to be honest about what you want with every girl you hook up with up front. No, Chief, knowing you are in an LTR does not change how I read your comment that all PUA's are out to gain exp until they level up. The fact that you edited it out indicates to me that you didn't agree with what you'd said either, so we're still in agreement. I still disagree that PUA's on the whole are not looking for LTR's, which is what your entire argument is based on. As a social creature, humans crave monogamy as much as they crave variety, I'd say. So probably half of us want just sex and the other half want to get out, at least for a little bit at a time. Personally, I don't see a point in just having a lot of sex anymore, but my relationships help me grow as a man. If you want, I'll continue my topic tangent about why using pick up just for recreational sex is going to leave you howling and empty.

If you want to call me out, that's fine, I'll come out. I'm not intimidated to defend my position. The reason I stepped down was because I realized I made a mistake by rambling and not focusing my thoughts and a lot of what I was saying was fairly sloppy and not even directly related. I thought, for the sake of the topic we could take arguments of semantics and baseless personal attacks to my inbox instead (offer stands to anyone who wants to take a shot at me). I dominated enough of this topic with my posts and didn't wish to keep posting, especially since I was doing a bad job getting the point across and people were just ignoring it when I made it clear that I agreed with Chief except some PUA's are out to hone our skills to get the best possible LTR. Are we any richer as PUA's for having relived our little internet melodrama? I rubbed a lot of you the wrong way, but passive aggressiveness in men makes me a little nauseous, so sometimes I am overly aggressive and alienate you guys. Sorry 'bout that.

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