Hey Rye, I just started my first semester of college about 5 weeks ago. There's an HB8.5 in a few of my classes, and we hit it off rather well, we talk outside of class a couple times a week, etc. Unfortunately, when the semester started, I was oblivious to the community, and with a few weeks of knowledge gathering and approaching under my belt, I can already recall some times that I definitely AFC'd. How can I tell if it's too late to redeem myself? Do I still have a shot at building attraction?

Thanks for the response,
--Heyzeus

Its a good topic, because everyone has something to say about existentialism and you can go on for hours about the possibilities as long as you don't claim that yours is right, just that that's what you FEEL is right.

Remember when she asks you to talk more about it, or to get her to ask you to talk more about it, because you want to be interesting to her, don't be talking about the hard scientific facts unless she is that type of girl and even if she is, still talk about the emotions and the way it makes you feel. Women think more through their emotional connection to things and that's how they are anchored to thoughts and memories, whereas men are anchored by hard facts and logic. You want to anchor yourself in her mind, so you want to talk about how your beliefs make you feel, what emotions you have about them and why. When you are storytelling (there are threads devoted to just that if you search for it) the key is to appeal to your audiences hook points, so if there are guys around, use some logic, girls use emotions and senses (touch, taste, smell are the best imo) and if its a mix, then throw in some of both.

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Just use whatever skills you have learned about sarging and run some game on the girl. If she gives you some IOIs still, then tell her, "I have to get to class, but we should hang out some other time." and hand her a pen and some paper. If she looks at you funny, just say something like, "not very creative are you?" and then put dashes where her numbers should be, and give it back to her. Or, you could do the same thing with the paper, but say something like, "Ever play hangman?" Basically, you just want to make her give you her number, or agree to meet up with you for coffee, or something like that, but without asking, just as if you are taking it for granted.

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I just thought of one other thing that has been bothering me, kino. As an AFC, I've always actively disliked being touched by anyone, something I know that I'm going to have to condition myself out of. However, I've read that if you start touching a girl a few weeks after you meet her, she's going to think it's weird. Is there any way to make starting kino a little less awkward with girls that I already know, and am considering trying to pick up?

You start by making it playful and from there you are able to make it more personal. You can start with a playful neg that forces her to punch you on the shoulder, or you can playfully punch her on the shoulder while walking beside her (I like to do this while looking straight ahead to show active dissinterest). From there, you can poke a bit and you chose to end it (don't wait too long, or she will end it first) by putting an arm around her shoulders or pinning her arms over her head against a wall. You escalate from just friendly kino, until it is slightly sexual. Same way that you can do palm readings, or offer her your hand or elbow and then slowly shift it towards something more personal.

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What would be a good opener for a line or waiting room type of situation.

How do you hook up with girls through the internet like myspace? I have no problems getting girls in person but online i never do and if i ever meet a girl in person after i tried to online they say that i'm a cool person and the reason they didnt talk to me online was cuz they thought i was a player. I dont really like the online shit but their is some fine ass girl on myspace i wanted to talk to fucked up on my game. Anything you suggest to say to a girl on myspace? (I'm 19 and in college and conceited and always come off as a playa but then have them thinking i'm the nicest guy in the world).

Your standard openers will work, or something situational, so you'll have to think it up at the time, but if you're at a loss and its a long line, you can always just say, "Long line, eh?" Its a bit AFC I admit, but if you have nothing else, at least its an opener and its as good as, "Hi" which is a perfectly usable opener. I have used the long line opener and it worked fine, I just went into a story about how ridiculous the lineup for the SPAM at a music feastival I go to is and how I got massive sunburn.

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I really haven't tried gaming anyone online that I don't already know yet. I was planning on trying it out a bit tomorrow.

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Can you give me your opinion on this routine? (I'm in high school, by the way. There are a lot of high school guys on this forum, actually...)



Adv: My friend Craig just moved to [city], and there's a problem that you guys might be able to help him with. You're all in Grade 10/11/12, right?

Target Group: Yeah...

Adv: Well, there's a scheduling conflict in his timetable, and now he has a few days to make a decision to either take drama or pottery. What do you think is the better choice?

Hey Rye,

Thanks for providing this thread.

Last Tuesday I number and kiss closed a freshman HB7 at my college. Then the following Thursday I called her up to let her know my fraternity was throwing a party and she should come. She was really excited to hear from me and said she was going to be there in a really enthusiastic tone of voice. Later that night (4 hours after the original phone call) I sent her a text to let her know that the party was still going off and she should be here if she is into fun things. She never showed and has never called me to let me know why. Tomorrow will make one week from the original number close and I was wondering would it be AFC for me to call her up again. Part of me doesn't want to call because I want to be the prize but the other part thinks that she isn't calling me because she thinks she messed up her chances with me by flaking (I am a senior while she is just a freshman, this could be a factor).

Also on the phone after you start off with something like, how have you been? What do you say next? Do you usually go into an interesting rehearsed story or do you ask her an opinion question or do you go right into asking here to hang out or do you just improv telephone conversations. Telephone conversations are defiantly a sticking point for me.

at my school there is an HB8 who sits on the stairs by my locker at lunch. There is a group of AFCs and 1 or 2 AMOGs who are moving in on her. how should i do this?

I wouldn't use the words "What do you think is the better choice?" it sounds like you are looking for approval. Also, if you're going to go with something so bland, you really need to build it up so that they have any interest at all, its like the floss opener. Drop the grade asking, you don't care, you don't want to make them think you care or let it cross their minds. You also want to throw some more relatable material in there. Right now its just your friend craig, how can they tell you what he should take, you need to let them know what he's like, that he's funny, but kinda shy, good with his hands, but doesn't have a lot of patience. Women respond to emotions and character, they're not going to just tell you their preference unless that's what you ask, but you are asking for a friend, so you need to set the stage so that they can help you decide. Also, I'd say, "there's a problem that I'm trying to help him with." Makes you sound like a good guy for helping people out and not relying on others.

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Women inherantly think that men are still supposed to be the ones in charge, the feminist revolution only works for jobs and dykes, but when you call a girl, or give her your number, she probably won't call you back unless you've got some really really good rapport going (and even then maybe not) because that's just how society raises them. They get cold feet. Call her back, let her know you'd like to give her a chance to make it up to you for flaking on you last week. Be alpha.

For phone game, make it playful, always be playful. You just want to use anything that will get a conversation rolling. Could be "Hey, you won't guess what just happened!" or could be "I don't have much time because I'm about to ____ but I wanted to see what you're doing on Thursday night?"

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If your locker is like right next to where she sits, then I would claim those stairs.

Mii: Hey
HB: Hi
Mii: What do you think you're doing?
HB: Huh?
Mii: You know those are my stairs right? They came with my locker.
HB: What, no they didn't
Mii: Sure they did, one sec....I've got....the deed here somewhere...*flipping through notebook. quickly scribble up a note saying these stairs belong to you and hand her the note*
Mii: See

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

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