Arguments: A Female Perspective



Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], Bing [Bot] and 8 guests
Post new topic Reply to topic   Board index » Get Into The Game: New Forum Members Start Here » PUA Lounge




Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:20 am 
Offline
PUA Forum Leader
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:34 pm
Posts: 1541
Location: London, UK
Good post, good read, only thing I have to add is, as already suggested, pick your arguments selectively, when your comfortable with a girl and she is with you, you'll know what lines to cross and which ones not to if you want things to actually work.

_________________
Been there, done it, oh and still doing it!

: Blog entries@ http://kennyspuathoughts.wordpress.com/


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:45 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:19 am
Posts: 5903
Website: http://seductiveintrovert.com
Quote:
First off, the biggest mistake you can make is to avoid arguments.
Avoiding any sort of discomfort is beta and not masculine. While I agree with your main point here, I'm going to have to say that your perspective isn't necessarily a fair representation of the general female population.
Quote:
That's why she starts silly arguments with you all the time- to get a raise out of you. She needs something to complain about; she wants to play the victim. That's what the "bad boy" gives her, and that's why he's so popular; he makes her feel all these different things- good, insecure, guilty, bad, passionate, loved, rejected, scared, unsure, protected, admired, jealous... he makes her feel EMOTIONAL, so don't be scared to get her mad at you once in a while.
As I've said to you before in the chat, you're the type of girl who likes stirring shit up and causing controversy because peace and quiet is just too boring for you. While there is a part of that drama-craving animal in every woman, there are also different types of women who would be more accurately described with the very different traits.

I know a lot of girls who try to avoid any sort of controversy as much as possible. They shy away from it because they don't want to be imposing because it might threaten their self-image of femininity.

My girlfriend does not raise silly arguments with me, ever. I don't think she ever does that with anybody, to be honest. That has to do with both her personality and the fact that I already provide her with a full spectrum of emotions.

Your point about the bad boy is still valid. Regardless of how the woman plays her role, she still wants to feel a lot of fucking emotion. Still, you're only offering the perspective of one "type" of girl out of many.
Quote:
Don't be afraid to debate her, but don't overdue it either... what I'm trying to get across here is that if you disagree with her on something, you shouldn't be scared to tell her so.
I disagree with using the word "overdue" when you should have used "overdo."

:lol: Anyway, yeah, the main lesson to take away from this is that man should not let his fear guide his actions. In my current position, it is absolutely ridiculous to even imagine myself being afraid of any sort of verbal confrontation with a woman. AFCs fear this because they think it will give them less of a chance to have sex or something gay like that.
Quote:
When You Want to Make Up

Remember, she wants to be mad once in a while. If it's a minor fight and she throws a hissy fit, do not apologize to her. That's what she wants, and it's important that you don't give in to her. You can use the "You're so cute when you're mad", that's always good; you can go in and kiss her, fine... if she's still feisty and demands you apologize, just leave her alone. Ignore her. Tell her to call you when she's ready to move on, because you don't have time for this.

However, if you really did hurt her, it's important to man up. I'm not talking about a little neg you may have said that she took the wrong way, or forgetting to call her back- I mean, you really messed up. If you truly feel like you should apologize, then chances are you should. You don't need to make a big spectacle out of it, just say "Look, I'm sorry for ________" or whatever- keep it simple and to the point. Since you don't apologize often (or you shouldn't anyway) then she'll know you're sincere. Don't apologize a million times though, one honest apology is enough.
Meh. Here's what I have to say to that:
i-hate-you-vt63541.html
Quote:
"I hate you."

"You're such a blah blah blah who always does this this and this!"

*Insert more bitching here*

Sound familiar? I bet it does. If you've been romantically involved with enough women, this sort of situation will pop up every now and then.

Let's say you've had sex with a woman more than just a couple times. She is your fuck buddy, a friend with benefits, or maybe even your girlfriend. Regardless of the type of relationship you have with her, there might be some bumps in the road where it seems like she's attacking and/or criticizing you for one reason or another. Sometimes it's a legitimate, logistical concern, but most of the time she's actually telling you that she's hurt or feels neglected.

If it ever seems like she is putting you at fault for something, there is absolutely no need to get defensive. As always, put your ego aside. Shift your focus on her. There is only one thing you need to ask her: "Are you OK?" Show her that you're man enough to take the hits and still be thinking about her instead of being distracted by your own ego.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:10 am 
Offline
Moderator Emeritus
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:47 am
Posts: 236
Quote:
While I agree with your main point here, I'm going to have to say that your perspective isn't necessarily a fair representation of the general female population.
Of course you can argue that this is just a female perspective, and not the female perspective. :P You're right, I should probably work on being less general in my posts...
Quote:
I disagree with using the word "overdue" when you should have used "overdo."
...and on my damn spelling while I'm at it.


-Roz

_________________
NOTE: I'm taking a break from the site, and hence will not be responding to any messages! :)


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:53 am 
Offline
Member of MPUA Forum
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:23 am
Posts: 141
Location: Riverview, Fl
Roz do you believe that women have arguments with men because their zest in life is on the low? I mean I think if a man isn't taking her out and having a spontaneous time, do women argue because they feel that this isn't the man that she fell in love with? That this is another shit test for him, if he passes thats cool, that another argument will arise when she's not having fun again with him anymore? I mean I like arguments with girls, especially the hyperbole, sarcastic ones that won't probably make a difference. It's nice to see a girl worked up once in a while and being feisty. It shows that she has a lot of energy....now to find a way to take it to the bedroom haha

_________________
Image
"We Go Truly Hard, Styles Like Julia"-Hoodie Allen


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:54 pm 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast

Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:05 pm
Posts: 77
This thread is a painful confrontation with reality. The first part of your post makes me wanna puke and back off. I can't help getting the impression that a man and a woman with a good sex life CAN NOT BE FRIENDS. Oke, friendship is a terrible way to start a romantic relationship. But as a relationship continues, I expected some emotional bonding to develop and not an emotional roller coaster.
Basically it seems that good sex and the hope to change the partner are what makes a relationship last


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:19 pm 
Offline
Dedicated Member

Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:54 pm
Posts: 633
Excellent post! Thank you Roz!

That just confirms what I was thinking. Why would girls start drama/fights out of nowhere when all I wanted was a peaceful, romantic, relationship. They can't live without this. And it actually got me mad several times. I was thinking like "why?? I'm such a nice guy, we're doing great and suddenly she ruins everything and seems to enjoy it!!!".

Makes perfect sense now. That's what I suspected.

_________________
Image

"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:30 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:19 am
Posts: 5903
Website: http://seductiveintrovert.com
Quote:
This thread is a painful confrontation with reality. The first part of your post makes me wanna puke and back off. I can't help getting the impression that a man and a woman with a good sex life CAN NOT BE FRIENDS. Oke, friendship is a terrible way to start a romantic relationship. But as a relationship continues, I expected some emotional bonding to develop and not an emotional roller coaster.
Basically it seems that good sex and the hope to change the partner are what makes a relationship last
Quote:
Why would girls start drama/fights out of nowhere when all I wanted was a peaceful, romantic, relationship.
If you guys think you just want a "peaceful" relationship minus the roller coaster, you're fooling yourself.

If you want nothing to happen in life - without any conflict or struggle - you might as well be dead instead. If there wasn't any chaos in my life I'd be bored out of my damn mind.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:54 am 
Offline
Post of the month winner!
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:53 am
Posts: 3102
Quote:
If you guys think you just want a "peaceful" relationship minus the roller coaster, you're fooling yourself.

If you want nothing to happen in life - without any conflict or struggle - you might as well be dead instead. If there wasn't any chaos in my life I'd be bored out of my damn mind.
1. I agree that it's difficult to accept that others' are not like me.
2. To some, you're about as boring as bark. To others, you're too 'nuts' for them to handle.
3. This probably has very little to do with what we 'desire'.
4. Plenty people do fine with little conflict, struggle, or drama.
5. People who need to experience drama typically create it to fill the need for drama, not to problem solve, for fun or to progress their lives.
6. Finding and accepting where you stand and learning her habitual patterns for conflict/struggle/drama might prove to be useful in strategizing everything from 'how to pick her up' to 'how to deal with her after 30 years of marriage'.
7. We're always fooling ourselves.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:59 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast

Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:05 pm
Posts: 77
Meanwhile I've asked feedback on this on a different forum full of women. Most of them assume that OP is a man in disguise, giving his view on the situation.
Women craving for an emotional roller coaster, are drama queens or have psychological issues. Many women under the age of 20 fall under that category but it should not be generalized. It's probably a phase that some women go through.

OP, I don't know if you are a man or a woman. But if you are a man, you are out of line for making a generalisation.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:12 pm 
Offline
PUA Forum Leader
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:21 pm
Posts: 1618
Quote:
7. We're always fooling ourselves.
^^ This is something very important to understand and come to terms with.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:39 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Zealot

Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:53 pm
Posts: 406
Location: England
what people have said and the OP's post have just made me realise;

I have so much to learn. I couldnt give an opinion even if i tried.

I have spent the passed few years trying to be less argumentative in life because i was an arguementative dick.


good thread. brought up a lot of ideas, POV and thoughts.

_________________
"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
-Seth (Superbad)


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ] 

All times are UTC


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

Can we be honest?

We want your email address. Let me send you the best seduction techniques ever devised... because they are really good.
close-link