WOW, seriously, WOW, the absolute WORST advice I've ever hears and I've heard some really bad ones, if these are from the same book, then I don't want to meet the women using these rules, sure I'll jump through some hoops, like I expect a girl to aswell, but a woman following these rules to the letter, just wouldn't be worth it.

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I'd like to think there are very few PUA's who still operate with those rules nowadays....

I could unfortunatly be wrong though....

It's been some time since I read this book but I'll try to make some commentary from my recollections of it.


To explain to the guys, I would compare "The Rules" with MM. It is a very structured system that has many positive attributes but also takes things to unreasonable levels in some aspects. Overall the rules is exceptionally effective at getting men who have low self esteem but has a few key strategic conflicts that prevent its effectiveness when it comes to a certain type of man that some women find very desirable (highly confident, high masculine energy balance).

It starts out very well for attracting this type of man, letting him take the lead, being a little reserved etc etc display very feminine energy traits. The big issues in this are all the playing hard to get aspects, you should pose some form of challenge sure, but its a matter of conditioning. Proper conditioning is always more effective then simply trying to induce a chase. Do you want him to call you? Then reward him for calling you, condition him to associate calling you with good feelings. Te key problem I see with this book like man pick up books is that they ignore one of the most basic building blocks of psychology, conditioning. Also an interesting side note: If you going for an extremely masculine energy man (read: Alpha Male type) and you are constantly conditioning him to see you as a challenge, the way this book suggests, then as soon as he has you, its over... your a challenge you've conditioned that in his mind until he sees it that way on a subconscious level. Once a challenge has been completed there is no need for it anymore. Now your "in love" and he's walking away uninterested. Food for thought.

Conditioning, thats the name of the game. I will never understand why people suggest that we punish good behaver, when its so much more effective to reward it.

Instead of calling her book "The Rules", author Ellen Fein could well have named her book as "The Fools" because that's what she thought all men are. lol.

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I am not familiar with these; they're not from the same book. But let's take a look.
Sometimes girls encourage each other this way: "Aw sweety don't worry... you know what? If he can't see how great you are, he doesn't even deserve you! He's not even worth another second of your time!"
Women sometimes play the victim, and use excuses like "I was drunk! I don't remember!" to avoid taking responsibility for their actions.
Funny... there are five people I would trust with my life; three of them are men... Oops?
Okay, a lot of women have a "backup". It's that one guy in their lives they know they can easily get with. And yes, some women do keep guys around if they prove to be useful, or for the attention.
lol? What, when he catches me stalking him?
Well here, I personally never talk about my past relationships- unless we've been dating for a while and he asks something specific.



-Roz

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I pretty much agree with this. There are more dumb rules but Madals sums them up.

Like he said, the first one would result in me not seeing her again. The date could have gone perfect but if she isn't going to offer to chip in something (men and women are equal) but still want to be treated equal when it suits them then I can't be bothered with that double standards bullshit.

I'd also feel insulted if a girl never initiated sex with me. I'd think that I wasn't pleasing her even though I know I'm more than capable; this rule does more damage than good.

If a girl doesn't suggest something when she says no I take it that she isn't interested. So me and a girl could go nowhere all because of these rules.

PUA is all about getting the girl.

These rules seem to be pushing away guys, or at the very least seeing how far they will go for you. They seem to be trying to put the woman on a higher level, a game which most PUAs or hopefully most guys won't play.

As has been said the rules are more like guidelines; a blind man could kick his dog into a ditch if he wanted, so the choice is still yours.

I would like to point out that guys are more physical creatures and girls are more emotional...

Like girls can date a guy for saying he has a "hot personality." But I would never date a girl with a "hot personality" even if she's ugly.

I think these rules, if any girl followed them, would land an extremely persistent desperate AFC with one-itis that the girl happened to like, where the girl is a fucking hot 10... (probably for a short period of time).

I guess we all agree that these "Rules" are sorta Bullshit. There might be a couple valid points, but a guy would only put up with so much.

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Actually if you reflect on these rules like the posters here have done, you'd find that these rules would repel alot of men.

We'll some of them will definitely, I doubt someone will actually follow all these rules..if a woman has already made attraction from a man by follow rules 1-4 for example, I don't believe she should keep going following the rest, I mean really theres no point, attraction is already made time to go to the comfort stage and "acting", letting the dude pay, don't call him (If the guy calls you once every week and you dont answer...yeah you missed your chance here) doesn't really comfort both party.

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You do know the Mystery Model is not a catch all template that resembles how people seduce one another don't you?

What does that have to do with my comment....And no I dont..I don't think you can fit all the elements of seduction in one tiny book....I think these "Rules" are too much tho

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Ha! It was actually this web comic that first made me aware of the whole PUA community and I ended up reading The Rules before The Game!

come on guys, stop blatantly saying this stuff is bad. Chances are you've been totally into a chick that did most, if not all, of those things, regardless of whether she meant to or not.

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Your post is an attempt to Asses the effectiveness of these rules via the mystery models idea of "comfort stage" etc etc