Hey guys, just a random question. I went out sarging with some mates a few weeks ago, kiss closed with a few girls and number closed with a few also. After waiting a few days two girls I #closed with replied after brief conversation and told me they had a boyfriend, and one had stated my conversation had made her temporarily forget to mention her boyfriend. Do you guys think I didn't impress them and they wanted me to leave them alone? Or do they really have boyfriends?

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Does it matter? You'll never know. You have a goldfish.

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Thats funny because that is exactly what I said to a girl that same night

Hey guys,there's major- female psycolgy behind this.

Those girls are taken-like every other girl.

Therels no such thing as a truely single girl.

She's either banging few guys,still banging her ex-,or stringing along some AFC who she usually gives piece to.

So no girl is single;they're all taken and all have some guy in their lives they wish to be with.

Now,the good tuff.

Hardcore,you had the golden opportunity to lay those girls but you blew it by settling for a meet up another time.

That another time will never come.

Women do it all the time:they go clubbing,make out,then they backward rationalize the next day,they feel slutty that they made out with a random-club guy(you-Hardcore),so they now ignore you.

She feel as though she'd cheated.

It's her ASD(anti-slut defense)at work here telling her to avoid you because you're bad for her.

You made them feel like sluts by making out or kissing them.

So your best bet was to seal the deal(f-close)that initial night while the girls were in that trance-like state of dissonance(not remembering they have bf's).

Now,the high is gone,the smoke has cleared,the drinks wore off,their BT(bying temperature)has subsided...you lost your oportunity.

In a state of buying temp',women tend to disown their bf's.

That's when you have a shot.

When their BT has gone;the next hour or day,you have no shot.

The girls wont remember you.

Or they'd want to forget you 'cause you made them feel like sluts.

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Thanks K-loc, I do know what you mean. And I now wish I had of at least attempted to full close with them. Although at the time I wasn't even tempted (I was out for a mates 21st and didn't want to ditch). What would be the plan now that they have my number and I know they're "taken"?

Well,these are the 4 things that will happen.

1)You call them,but they refuse to answer.

2)They answer,realizes it's you,then make excuses to hang up.

3)They will never call again.

4)They will call again.

Only those 4 things may happen.

The 1 you're hoping to happen is #4,and that will probably never happen.

Your only option,and it may be a futile wast-of time option,is to call them.

I'd prefer to text at this time,which they will receive.

If you call,they'll reject you.

Worst thing is to remind them of their sluttiness.

So mention nothing about the initial night 'cause it'd only make them feel uncomfortable as they backwards rationalize.

So text them as to find out where they're partying,clubbing weekend.

Then hope to meet up with them there again.

You will then have another shot since the girls' buying temperature will be risen because of the party SPAM.

You do not have a shot of a date,one-on-one meet,etc.

Your only shot is to meet them at some bar/club venue.

So text to find to where they're going.

You:"Hey it's Hardcore,I'll be at **'s bar tonight with buddies.Join us".

If they're going to a different spot,they should re-text,"Im going to club ***".

Then meet up with them at their venue.

If they dont reply to 1st text,simply send another asking,"Where's the party at tonight for you"?

Yo have nothing to lose.

This' essentially over for you already,so by you texting her 3 times in a row,it wont ruin anything since the damage's already done.

So rely on text game at this critical point.

Remember and learn from your mistake Hardcore;this' all your fault.

Dont blame the girls 'caus they did give you a shot to f-close but you werent able to ditch your buddies.

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@ K-Loc Pretty much agree with you but do you think SNL's are also bad for starting relationships? This is happening with me now, you meet a girl and bed her fast(within a few hours) and then boom her ASD sets in and she doesn't want to hang out or drags her feet at least because being with you again makes her feel like a slut.

So say you meet a girl and you actually like her(potential LTR) what is the best way to go about it? Think i may start a thread in relationships about this.

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I don't think I'd be able to begin a relationship with someone who cheated on her boyfriend with me. Because what reason would she have to not do the same to me? And thanks for that K-loc, greatly appreciated

It is true that his chance to have sex with them was that same night and it evaporated by dawn. I've proven this several times back in my "nicer" days.

My personal feeling is that if you have sex the first night at random, then its a one night stand. I wouldn't call her, maybe a simple text the next day. Some women will get violently angry if you don't contact them after sex, even if they were a drunken stranger to you.

If its an actual date, and its fun, and there is sex, then you got a possible regular thing but nothing serious, which can be the best kind sometimes.

The girl that you actually take on a first date and its great but no sex is either proving her non-sluttiness i.e. worthiness to be a girlfriend, or she isn't attracted to you. You have to go for a second date to find out. If no sex by end of 3rd date then she is wasting your time.

@Carmo-Lol,Carmo,you're the expert.

I've learnt a lot from reading your posts so I would think that you can tell me anout SNL's.

Well,I've met girls who I see as LTR material but I never actually waited it out.

You know the feeling Carmo,if you lay a girl on a SNL or within 3 days of meeting,you kind of loose value for her as LTR material.

I guess the counter stratergy would be to not lay her(lol).

I used to happen to me a lot Carmo,where I would lay the girl then her ASD kicks in then we'd eventually fall off.

Before I understood or read about the ASD concept,I'd taken a girl to my hotel room from a night club for an SNL.

I didnt lay because I fucking forgot to buy condoms[didnt expect lays]!!

Despite not laying her(got oral),her ASD kicked in within 2 days where she gave me some BS run around and eventually changed her #(I guess).

@Brian Tampa-Thanks for agreeing and having good insight on this.

I definitely agree on not calling after a ONS.

Chances of getting another lay is slim.

But as you said,some women would be offended by the guy not calling next day.

Once again Brian Tampa,you giving me stuff to dwell on.

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@Carmo-Lol,Carmo,you're the expert.

I've learnt a lot from reading your posts so I would think that you can tell me anout SNL's.

Well,I've met girls who I see as LTR material but I never actually waited it out.

You know the feeling Carmo,if you lay a girl on a SNL or within 3 days of meeting,you kind of loose value for her as LTR material.

I guess the counter stratergy would be to not lay her(lol).

I used to happen to me a lot Carmo,where I would lay the girl then her ASD kicks in then we'd eventually fall off.

Before I understood or read about the ASD concept,I'd taken a girl to my hotel room from a night club for an SNL.

I didnt lay because I fucking forgot to buy condoms[didnt expect lays]!!

Despite not laying her(got oral),her ASD kicked in within 2 days where she gave me some BS run around and eventually changed her #(I guess).

@Brian Tampa-Thanks for agreeing and having good insight on this.

I definitely agree on not calling after a ONS.

Chances of getting another lay is slim.

But as you said,some women would be offended by the guy not calling next day.

Once again Brian Tampa,you giving me stuff to dwell on.

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I just want to add one thing. Carmo asked I don't think so. I was on a date with a girl for one hour long time ago, the next day we had sort of sexual activity and then we were together for 5 years. It's scientificaly proven that there are higher emotions during sex and she may want them again. The key here is comfort and the level of drunkiness.
I think the major factor in here is her expectation towards sex. If she want to have sex after marriage and you will hang out with her and lay after two months, she will feel exactly the same as on SNL. On the other side, find me a man who will wait for two months for sex.
Remember girls are overthinking everything. If you want a LTR with her - your decision. Stay with her after sex, give her some juice and prepare breakfast to bed. She wakes up, the memories come to her and you are the very first person she can talk AND she can talk about previous night. Here is the scheme:
SNL -> "I'm a slut" -> "I won't tell anyone" -> "I want to forget"
If you interrupt this scheme between step 1 and 2 and convince her about your good intentions and that you appreciate what she did, she won't feel like a slut and will be thankful.

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@Surielx-Genius points;you cleared this up like a guru.

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Surielx, K-Loc all good points.

For me, the quality of girl has really skyrocketed so the way i look at it is if she is worth having sex with once, she's probably worth having sex with more than once. I dont nescesarily want to have LTR with these girls but the FB option or occasional bottie call would be perfect. I life right downtown near all the bars so most girls are already down there so logistics wise its perfect.

I guess it would depends on how it went down and whether we were both really drunk. If i like her i will take your advice and try making some breakfast or something and hang out. A lot of times they have to be at work or somewhere so they usually need to go. Who knows, i'll keep it up and see what develops.

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As it turns out, i was at the mall last night with a buddy of mine doing some shopping and i ran into the last girl i had a SNL with the previous week. Now this was the one i was talking about that i had trouble getting a day two with. Managed to get them to a nearby bar and had a drink with but it didn't turn out great. I keep forgettingthat just because you had sex with them one night, doesn't mean you can pickup where you left off. I Need to start all over again and keep doing what got them attracted in the first place. lesson learned. grrrrrr

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