Hi everyone,

I'm a bit new to game and wouldn't mind some advice from the pros before I go further with this one and screw it up lol. I go to 2 gyms in my area. One of the gyms, I go like once a week to. In the next 2 weeks only, i'll be going to it every day though. At this gym, a new girl started working at the reception and the first time I saw her I chatted her up about random stuff for like half an hour. A couple days back I went back and again saw her and chatted her up for half an hour before my workout. Basically our conversation just took off, lots of laughter, IOIs, I gave a lot of DHVing and we basically talked about our personal lives, work, food, lifestyle, etc. After half an hour, she talked about trying to find another job as a bank teller and I told her maybe I can help getting her foot in the door b/c I know people in the industry, and she mentioned well if I ever see you here again b/c you never come at this gym (kind of said it in a flirty way) so I told her how about I grab your number and I'll text you and let you know what I hear. She said ok no problem, after your workout drop by the desk and I'll give it. I agreed. An hour flies and after my workout I drop by and talked to her for a couple minutes and basically told her I had to go b/c I was already late to work and kind of paused waiting for the number but she then changed her mind and tells me I'm just going to take your email down instead so I'm like alright and I gave my e-mail to her and took off. If I got her number, I was thinking about escalating it on the spot and asking her out on the Friday night but b/c of the backfire, I canceled those actions.

I think she's interested, but what I learnt from our conversation was that she was sexually harassed a lot at her previous job (which she told me about) and she also just quit a bartending and waitress job so she's probably used to getting hit on all the time and auto-rejects on the spot. I think these may be the two reasons why she didn't give her number out...plus I've only met her twice for an hour in total, so maybe trust issues?

So my questions for you guys are:

1) Did I mess anything up from the beginning to the end? Should I have done something differently?
2) What and how should I continue this? Should I give up on her already or should I reattempt something slowly with her to maybe gain trust, etc.

Thanks everyone!

well i could bet you started game with the Mystery Method haha if i´m right just tell me haha....

okay anyways easy thing never give up try till she runs away my advice at every situation.

this one is very simple she is working there so she would not display a good image even of herself if she would give you her number on work thats like, "i´m here to give out my number and meeting new guys to have sex with em"

so what you should do is start talking with her about the topic relationship, for example what guy she is looking for bla bla bla...if she asks you disqualify her with your answer if shes blond tell her you like brown haired girls etc...but if you ask her always bring your frames together (if you dont know how to do it exactly i´ll bring you an example).

then go on with sex, talk about her experiences bla bla bla but always show that your are a discrete person thats the most important but also show that you got lot girls and especially that she is not the only girl you can have. than make her imagine you and her having sex for this just say "OMG pllleaaasseee dooo nottt imagine me and you having sex on your bed while the candles are burning around your bed bla bla bla" bring in couple of details to make it easier for her to imagine.

do it in a playfull way she will defnetly imagin it than you go on with Kino and SE and you got it.

if you still got qustions feel free to ask or to PM me.

AFC Payman

Hi dudes.

ok, first off:

WTF has this to do with mystery?
Good advice, but the real trick is to know when to stop.
Do you really believe that? I met my girl at her work. If handing over phone numbers = having sex with her, this site wouldnt even exist.

I am not going to discuss the rest of that reply because i think it is no good.

as for giggity:

Ok, you did pretty good actually. You are new to the game, the most important part at this point is just talking, not being afraid of approaching, and as it is now, just see where it gets you.

I do have a few remarks though:

You say that you paused for her number... as if you expected her to give it herself. If it was me, i would have just said: owkeej, leave me your number and i ll see what i can do for you. My point here is: if you are going to wait for things to happen, you can wait forever. You want something? you need to go for it.

Then you state:
That would not have been good. She gives you a hand and you already want to take her arm. for what? because you think she is hot and you talked for what... 1 measly hour? And you want to ask her out on a date on friday evening? No no no.
If you had just walked up to her and said: "hey, i think you are hot/sexy/cute/whatever, i want to get to know you." then you could have gone for perhaps the friday night or something like that. But dont fluff talk and escalate with a date like that. Its not congruent, it feels like a surprise attack, it feels like you are afraid. First talking like there is nothing going on and then when you think you having a bit of success you go in for "the kill". No amigo, not like that .

You might very well be right with you assumption about her not giving her number out. Fact is, you dont know and you dont have to know.

this is what i suggest you do: help her out (you have committed yourself to helping her out, because you though you were going to get her number. I really wonder, supposingly she gave you her number, would you really text her for a date? That would be pretty lame, finding an excuse for her number... just so that you know . Women appreciate strong men. A strong man is somebody who has the guts to go for what he wants, even though he might get verbally gunned down on his way.
So what you do next is help her out if you can. next time you hit that gym, talk with her again. lenght is not that important actually. But at some point, just say to her: hey, i like talking to you. I want to do this again but perhaps someplace we can comfortably talk... What are your plans for friday evening?

Now, IMO, this is still quite... excuses looking. I would have said: i like talking to you and i want to get to know you better. What are you doing friday? You can go with this as well, if you like and dare.


At this point, its a moment of truth. You can either continue fantasizing about how much she likes you and not do anything with it, then you just need to keep on flufftalking with her.

Or you can find out if she actually likes you and state that you like talking to her and would like to meet at a better place doing something fun. If she blows you off, you can say: 'hey, i dont know, but i think you lots of guys perhaps already hit on you, annoyed you etc. I just want to get to know you as you seem like a fun person to be with.

She can blow you off again right there, and you will have to accept that. There is not shame in that, although it might feel like that. But then at least you know and you pick somebody else.

In any case, i wish you luck!

ciao!

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

has nothing to do with MM was normal question so actually you should not care about that one.

second when a girl gives you her number she thinks that you are a suitable mate so she accepts that you might kiss her have sex with her etc...i mean well i could be wrong even the top guys are saying this but ok other thing.

anyways to be honest you advice is not bad at all but to be honest it is not the way he should be acting in that situation your just sticking on some points but not at the hole thing of course he should have talked to her for the number an shoudl not wait for it either but you have to look at the logistics and the thing he desrcibed will work if he will follow the thing i already said.

i´m not here to do a pickup contest on which way will work but my way is defently the way it WILL work so i dont know what your problem is in any case...but LD i would recommend you start reading NLP books and lot of other psychological books to first even understand the mind of a woman befor you think about doing anything.

AFC Payman

Hi man.

Ok, lets be clear here. I dont have a problem with you. I do have a problem with your advice. This is indeed not a PU contest, but your advice... is really not that much of advice.

So you say: next is start talking about her relationships. Ok.. so... she is behind the counter, i want to start my workout, or just ended it and i have to go to my own job, but never mind that, lets talk about relationships.... Like she is going to talk about that behind the counter. It will be a very interesting conversation, because she will have to pause everytime somebody else wants something related to her job, which is... standing behind the counter. So, even though she might talk about it, her focus is her job at that time. You cant make her feel much. This my friend, the focus, is ye good olde basic psychology. How you should make her feel things is basic NLP. No matter what Ross Jeffries says, if you have ever tried to even do the basic stuff, you should know that it is not the right time to do it. It is written differently in almost every stupid PU book, but apparently none of those dudes who wrote the shit seem to have tried it. Except Ross perhaps, but even he should be more clear on the proper use of the tool.

Then, to make it even worse if i should follow your advice, is talking about sex... where? at the counter? Common amigo, from what i can read in the original post, we are dealing with a girl who has had nasty experiences with douchebags. Then all of a sudden, without any trust nor anything (as after only 1 hour of fluff talk you have nothing) you start talking about sex? But what are your intentions? She doesnt know, but she can guess. And she will guess right, but it will feel very icky for her because you are hiding that fact. You are hiding that fact with obvious change of subjects and all of a sudden a quit pathetic attempt of a language pattern. she will notice the pattern (although i doubt it that she will recognize the fact that it is a pattern) and she will be on to you.

You know why? There is no trust level. There is not acceptance of your words, they just pass by. Yeah, you will create this image of sex in her head, for like 5 seconds. Then its out again. Replaced with the thought: wtf is it with this dude. he creeps me out. she will think something like that because she recognizes the thought as being inserted on purpose by you. Ill give you a real example of this at the end of this post. But trust me, you wont find that in the books, because there its all jolly ok if you just spit out some random patterns.

The stuff you say, MIGHT work, given the correct context and timing. The girl behind the counter doesnt even want to give her number, sure she will let you in on her relationship details and sure she will believe that the thought you tried to insert using nlp came from her own mind.

Lets see this in an example. We have a customer and a salesmen who is selling cars.

The trick should be (like many believe) that you should not let it look like you are selling, the sneaky way. So the customer enters, and you hit on him.

salesman: 'Hi, good day to you. Have seen our beautiful cars here?'
cust: 'yeah, but i am not here to buy,i have business to attend to with your owner of the place'.
salesman: Yeah ok, that is fine. You are not buying, i accept that.

In the meanwhile, the man is waiting until the owner appears. You hit him again. But the man is aware of you and the fact that you are trying to sell anyway. So if you go to him again and say:

-'yeah, dont think about me selling you a nice red porsche with nice leather furnature, great control, awesome look for a descent price, when i tell you that you should look at our brochure because we have nice discounts next two months. The man will see the red porsche in his mind. But he knows you inserted the thought there to sell. He is annoyed, because you said you accepted the fact that you are not going to try to sell to him. The image will never pop up in his head again without the fact that it was you who put it in there. Therefor, it has no convincing power what so ever. The thing that eliminates the convincing power is something like the critical factor. This is basic NLP as well with some basic hypnosis.

dont advice people to read up on things if you cant at least show that you have experience with it. Dont advice anybody to read about NLP without showing that you think its worth it. Giving one sentence examples is just bringing over the wrong idea about NLP, like its a magic bullet to magically control other peoples minds and let them do your bidding, 100% of the time. Its not like that.

NLP is a seduction tool that needs to be used in a proper way. Would you use a chainsaw to paint your kitchen?

So, to wrap it up: why do i think you advice isnt very insightfull:

- You skip stepts to follow. from relationships to sex to patterning...
- no context whatsoever. how are we supposed to do the things you say?
- it seems like it comes right out of a textbook. Even the phrase 'dont think about...' to make people think about something might even be written on the back of a calendar. it doesnt feel like you have ever tried it yourself. Be more clear, so our man giggety here can do something with it. Not just a bunch of loose concepts you read in some book.

You talk about psychology and the mind of woman, but you give no experiences or concepts to be discussed on that matter. You give us nothing so it becomes clear that you know what you are talking about. In the contrary even. Before you advice people to read up on stuff so they would know what they talk about, perhaps you should have followed your own advice then.

In the case you want to reply to this, please take note of the fact that it is actually a waste of your time to try and prove anything about your knowledge by giving random facts. This is an anonymous message board, 'facts' have no meaning here. If you are going to reply, and i am pretty sure you will, talk in concepts and idea's that can be discussed, as that is still the purpose of this message board.

I am not trying to flame you as a person. I just believe that your advice is no good.

Peace man and good luck

ciao

_________________
"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Great advice, thanks a lot!

I've been talking to her for the past couple of weeks, quick 5-10 minute conversations though when I enter the gym in the morning. Basically, just quick chit chat personal talk and I've been DHVing her almost on a daily basis. I'm not sure what else I can do with quick conversation first thing in the morning at 6am! I've basically asked her a few personal questions to easily distinguish if she has a BF or not and it looks like she doesn't...for eg I asked who she bought x-mas presents for, where shes spending xmas and xmas eve and what she's doing for new yrs...if a BF was in the picture she would have mentioned it with any of those questions...which she hasn't...

I basically held off with attempting a number close b/c I wanted to gain some trust with her AND I'm only going to be hitting this particular gym until the end of this week. I know her schedule and the last day I'll be seeing her is tomorrow morning before I start using another gym in the area. So I was going to wait until tomorrow morning and attempt a number close. I was just going to chat her up first thing in the morning again for 5 mins...and then tell her something like...listen I need to get my workout done so I'm not late to work again and as you know I wont be coming to this gym anymore starting next week. I enjoyed talking to you and wouldn't mind getting to know you better and was wondering if I can grab your number, maybe we can chill out, have a coffee or go for drinks some time soon"...or something along though lines....or plan a date right away like you mentioned LD, but friday is new years and I probably wont be able to set something up until next week. Basically, right now I'm asking your expertise...how can I word this number close properly? Any PUA tactics I can use? Should I do it before or after my workout? I think before b/c shes usually distracted after with other co-workers who come in, clients, etc....I can never talk to her after my workout.

Any advice for tomorrow would be greatly appreciated..thanks