I can concur that a great opener is to make a compliment about something that someone is wearing. Right so all I need is to just condense the words into something that is genuine and flattering but without being creepy. Anyone able to help with the exact ways to phrase this.

And another thing, I guess I better own up to the fact that I have a leather and PVC/shiny fetish.

Bump.

Advice would be greatly appreciated please. Especially as one of the main things that draws us (well certainly me) to an HB is the presence of her wearing something that really floats our boat.

I will often compliment a girl on an item of clothing she's wearing as a DAYGAME approach. This is because, in general, women are not expecting to be approached by guys during the day, and therefore it comes as an unexpected surprise and she will be genuinely flattered, if your delivery is friendly and confident, of course.

However, at night in a club, women are expecting to be approached by men and hit on, so the compliment may seem to them as a rapport seeking "line" from a guy with low value. If you're going to use this, I would suggest raising your value first and then forcing an IOI from her before approaching. Otherwise, something more indirect might work better in that environment.

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Correct me if i am wrong but i thought complementing a girl on her appearance is a no no, or if you do you should follow up with something like....my mum bought the same top last week! As complementing someone would instow a high social value for them?

Its only a no-no for physical features out of her control like her butt, breasts, legs, etc. Her style is never a bad idea and even her hair or her smile can work.

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OK, point taken. But let's say I see an HB in public wearing a very nice and not-at-all cheap looking leather jacket or, better than that leather skirts or - the number one turn-on of them all as far as I'm concerned - leather pants. Then how do I compliment without looking creepy?

Risk it. Who cares?

Careful on complimenting too much, brothers. I always get IOIS, and a bit of comfort with the set I'm going into, or the HB before I throw compliments in, you can always display interest via eye contact, and smile- trust me an attractive man, or a man that is in good condition, smiling, well-groomed.

It works good, I've gotten lots of IOIS from that.

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Suffice to say many compliments are judgments; positive judgments, but judgments.

Some people have trouble thinking they deserve compliments. In fact learning to accept compliments is listed in the skills of assertiveness.

So many people actually distrust the person giving a compliment. "Oh, they just feel sorry for me", or "They are just ‘being nice''" are two common reactions. Some can sense a desire to manipulate -ulterior motives like blondeguy’s rapport seeking "line" from a guy with low value in the club scene. Some think that if they accept a compliment it may obligate them to return the favour.

I came across a strategy of delivering a compliment without reasoning it by accident one day. I noticed a girl that looked a lot like Charlize Theron. I asked “do you know who Charlize Theron is”
she was like “yeah.”
“She’s a good actress don’t you think? (Didn’t want to compliment Charlize on her looks-things she doesn’t have control over)
“ummm...yeah she’s cool?”

I went about my business like that’s all I wanted to say and if she didn’t take the bait I would have left it then and there.

Looking puzzled she asked politely “Why did you ask me that?”

“You look like her” went back about my business (I was checking her out of the hotel where I work) from the corner of my eye I could see her blushing and she just kept staring at me like she was in shock or something. I just kept cool and hailed her a Taxi.

I have tried this method a few times, but sometimes they don’t take the bait and must think “what a strange question, why did he ask me that”. If that happens I don’t pursue it further.

What do you think Salad_fingers?

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Sorry but do not agree with Deep & Meaningless above.

This week I have learnt to get over AA and did quite a bit of the "Newbie Mission" a number of times - asking random HBs in town for directions to somewhere and trying to engage in feeble banter. And the other day in London was no different.

I managed to stop and get the attention very briefly of some HBs in town, but the ultimate dare would be to get the attention of any leather-clad hotties. The ultimate prize in my book. However, I never had the opportunity to make a compliment on what she was wearing. I know blondguy says this should be nothing more than a DAYGAME approach, but what about evening time (i.e. between 5pm and 9pm when it starts to get dark)?

My prize "catch" (if you call it that) was seeing a very attractive blonde girl at a bus stop and I could see she was wearing leather pants but as it was dark I was not sure if they were leggings rather. I knew she was waiting for a bus and it would be rude to interfere but I would use her as a practice. I just light-heartedly asked where the nearest tube station was and (knowing the Tube system very well) I tried to make things last longer by asking the best route to a station that is clearly quite a distance. We laughed a bit and I made a humurous assumption she may be an arts student which she corrected me on and told me she does law, and then her bus came and I did leave it saying that I do not want to cause her to miss her bus! I watched her tight leathery legs get on the bus before walking away, but with my confidence very high.

Ideas? Thoughts?

^ salad_fingers, I'm glad you're getting your feet wet.

See that confidence boost you got just through that conversation with the girl?

Next time, carry this confidence onto the next girl and possibly even number close.


You gotta learn to walk before you can run, correct?

I think i disagree entirely that a compliment works as an opener/approach even during the day, unless its something crazy, like dreadlocks, or something hippy-ish/outrageous like that, i think compliments should only come after a bit of rapport is built up. Girls, who are in any way hot (if you think they are, trust me, 50 other people do as well - i have the most warped taste in women's physical features) are not turned on by compliments.

I can understand how women's social training affect their reactions toward men, but I feel you have to break down a woman's learned defense system against predatory men. This can only be done by building a playful rapport (NOT FRIEND ZONE!!!)

If you see an article of clothing you like the look of, why not ask where it was purchased?

Usage: "WOW! I LOVE your boots, it's my little sisters birthday next week and she would love a pair. Where did you get them from?"

I agree, better to be used casually in the day and not in clubs.

I know I am reviving something from a while ago, but re-reading this I wanted to ask if any of you in general think any compliments about clothing and style are better as a MID-GAME thing rather than an opener?

Another thing that confuses me, we all know what daygame is and nighgame (in a bar) is, but what about "night game" when it is dark and the evening but on the streets and NOT in a club? Is that still defined as night game? And would complimenting on clothing be better as a "night street game" thing as opposed to a "night club game" thing?

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No, for midgame stuff, you're gonna want to compliment her more on the things you found out about her from talking to her or the things you "can tell" about herdeom talking to her, like the fact that she's independent or artsy or the fact that she like to snowboard or whatever else. You CAN compliment her on style or fashion during your midgame, but I would use that more as a crutch if you haven't been able to uncover much about her.

Your other question about daygame and nightgame: well, whether or not it's day or night or light or dark, if you are at the mall or any type of store, ten you are doing DAYGAME. Doesn't matte if it's light or dark out.
If you are doing nighttime approaches on the street and you're near a bunch of bars and it's obvious the girls are out on the town and probably walking from bar to bar then you can consider it nightgame....if it's night time and your like in a residential neighborhood and your doing street approaches, it's more like doing daygame, but honestly you shouldn't really dothat too mug bcuz approaching girls o the street when it's dark out and they are NOT obviously like walking from bar to bar, it's kinda creepy.