Yer, so i know this is a rather weak way to work in game. But currently i am overseas so i have no other option. The story goes a little like this. Recently i have been noticing that alot of my unknown friends on facebook are actually HB's. Now because im away and do not actually know them at all i thought it may be a good idea to start to build a relationship now rather than later?
I have tried it out before and it has defiantly turned out to be successful, but this particular girl is a HB 9, so im kind of going to need a fair few tips to get past the bitch shield. What do you guys think? Is there any tips you could give me, even like how to start off?
thanks.

Hi man.

There is no such thing as "online gaming". Yeah, you can get some interest, but for the rest, there is not really something going on. At facebook, there is only interest in your profile. sooner or later in these 'relationships', you will notice how fast things cool down when you want to meet up.

Besides... it is such an easy way out.

You are overseas... so what is the problem? You dont speak the language? Trying to communicate and game in real life is always more interesting and challenging then .... facebook game? I know that my post wasnt all that helpful towards your problem, but i think, now that you are overseas, you should see this as an opportunity to have some great fun with overseas chicks instead of an opportunity to see nothing of the world and hang behind your computer to ... what? subtly flirt with some HBitches?

Its your call ofcourse and whatever it may become: have fun!

ciao

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Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Bro theres a reason you are friends with her. You probably met her at some party or gathering.
Anyway hopefully you had an amazing time and stood out a bit, if so you want to get her into the same mindspace, remind her why she became friends with you.

I personally when gaming someone I barley know comment on how they never type and say this is not going to work out, but you have to already have some attraction first.

Poking is also a fun thing to do, have a poking challenge, it just gets her to notice you.

Or something along the lines of, Hello stalker! I know I should know you but have trouble remembering from where, should I?!

google facebook smileys to be able to send som crazy stuff over and then tease that she dosent know how to make the smileys and that if shes a nice girl you can tell her.

Hope this helped and good luck buddy!

Thankyou for the help both of you.
yer i know that attempting to online game is a easy way out of it but i am overseas so i cant really meet up and see her, all i have is facebook.

The poking idea/ comments are a pretty good thing but your defiantly right when you say you need attraction first. I may just have to wait until i get back to Australia to start building attraction.

I have however got into massive deep and meaningful conversations over facebook, because i have been away again and this seemed to work. I managed to build attraction over messages through simple things like speaking to them about themselves, which is what they love talking about.

thanks for the help.!

Ok, so i misunderstood. You already know and met this girl in real life it seems? Its a bit of a different story, i give you more chance to be successful. But still, the next move will inevitably be meeting each other again. If you get her to do so, then i think things are looking up for you.

Still, this is facebook. I hear many dudes say on here: i managed to build attraction. With what? a couple of bricks? You dont know what is going on in her head. This is especially true when doing 'online game'. Because they love to speak about themselves does not mean you 'built' attraction. Meaningful and deep conversations are a good thing, really, if you already know her /met her, even the better. But its no guarantee for anything.

How long are you overseas? Lets now for once be positive here (talking about myself) and lets suppose there is a genuine interest. Your worst enemy will be then the time you are away. Over time, the first thrills about the deep convo's are going to fade until you reach a point where it will become habit. When that time comes, and you are only halfway of the period overseas, forget about it. Your chances will drop like an old mans penis when running out of viagra.

So you got to keep it interesting. This is indirect game at its fullest but using the lowest of all communication mediums. When you indulge into this, be prepared for the following:

- you might lose her and you are ok with that
- your emotional involvement will grow very rapidly. Be aware of it and try to keep in under control. For me, acknowledgment of those feelings and being able to write about them, makes it possible for me to have a certain control over them and make my distance. If you fail at this, at a certain point, you will do stupid things. How do you know you crossed the line? when at the evening you are waiting for a facebook message from her, because she told you she was going to send but she hasnt.

How to keep it interesting: you probably already did talk about sex, but its an interesting topic. But what would really make it interesting if the topic was suddenly going to be you and her having sex. this is not really done in just a couple of minutes, take you time, and verbally transition the situation. from whatever the hell it is you are doing now, towards romantic. From romantic towards intimacy, and from there, use your imagination.

Example (this is the very fast speed version ofcourse):

you: i kinda like the beach. You know, the sand, the water, it got this relaxing thing i really like. Give me a cocktail and i am good to go. its even more fun with a couple of friends, surfing, etc.
she: yeah, sounds fun, bla bla blablablaa bala.
*some talk about things you guys like to do until you find something in common or something that just feels right *

you: you know, we should do go to the beach together. Bring some friends and etc etc, we could stay until the sun sets, etc. This could even be....romantic.

*this is perhaps a bit obvious, but still, transitions are transitions. You could have said: we should go together, blabla, till the sun sets, bla bla. then you could have said: do you think its romantic at the beach at sunset, or : i think that is romantic, who do you think is romantic, etc etc. But you need to understand that a transition stays a transition, and to make any progress at all, you will have to verbalize this thing in a context where you are together. Even if you talk around the bush, she will notice the transition, and think to herself somehting in the lines of: hihihii, you are trying to hide but i am on to you. You trigger the natural reaction of the other person pretending not to really know what your true intention is and playing dumb. perhaps not always, but often enough. When you transition, especially in teh beginning, go carefully, but do have to balls to make the context about the two of you. Every transition is 'a moment of weakness', where she can follow you or where you can lose her. Its a moment of truth, because if she follows, you know the interest is still there in some degree.*

her: blablabal soem reaction
* keep talking about romantic stuff, what she thinks is romantic. *

you: you know, suppose we were there, on the beach at sunset, i thik i would hold you quite close. It would feel intense i think.
her: blablaabla i cant read minds so i think she will say blaalbalbalabla.

From there on, verbally escalate the whole thing and see where it takes you.

Something you might want to use to keep things interesting is a tool you will have heard about: freezing out. I intentionally call it a tool, because that is how it should be used. Your must have no remorse using it and be able to use it relentlessly.

When you have moved to towards what i called romantic context, you could freeze out a couple of days. So you start the whole thing with ending a facebook message like this (in a way, shouldnt be literally the same):

yeah, again, it was fun talking to you. I ll poke you tomorrow (or something facebookish alike).

But you dont do anything. No message, no poke, no farmville, not even be online on facebook, for, lets say a day or 2 of total inactivity. And then, after that time, you are again all over her. Dont fall into the trap of coming back 'untouchable', like you didnt care all that much. Wrong!! The tool of freezing out is about giving mixed signals, where you give one signal (the romantic context), then the total opposite ( flaking on her, and actually ignore her for 2 days) and then you need to go to the other opposite again. There is no longer a road in the middle. Dont push it either, but say things in the line of: hey! i am back. I am sorry, but i had to do, blablablalabal whatever... yeah, you know, i missed our conversations! so how are you? what did you do the last couple of days? (you know show interest) then transition again to romantic.

This is playing mind games. the only way to 'win' at them is to accept the fact that you cannot control other persons feelings/thoughts/actions. The goal of these tools is not to control peoples thoughts, but to make you a part of their thoughts. You need to get your place into her mind. You do that by transitioning and verbally escalating and mind games.

if in those 2 days, you havent got any message or sign of life from her side, start considering the fact that you are not on the level you want be with her. You can try to start over and transition again because you are not in her head. And if it happens to be that you start worrying why she didnt send a message during your time off, then she got in your head. When htat happens, and the doubts start coming, realize it! its the first step of overcoming it. you are getting too involved to be effective.

So, lets wrap it up:

- you might lose her --- > be ok with that. That is what you get when you use mindgames
- understand the fact that in order to do seduction, your emotional involvement will increase. Be aware of that so you can keep it under control.
- verballly transition and escalate the whole thing on an imaginary level (tricky, but hey, that is 'online gaming' for you.
-Look at mindgames as tools. The ultimate goal is that you are in her head, not vice versa. If you let her come into your head, you are looking at lonesome, harsh times .

goddammit, this was suppposed to be a quick post and it took me over an hour to write it.

i keep my point of view: online gaming is not real gaming, but still, i wish you lots of luck and i hope i was of any help as well for a change

ciao!

_________________
"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

talking from experience involving oversea dating i would strongly recommend you to chat with webcam via SPAM in those phases where you want to come on strong..hearing and seeing someone leaves a much stronger impact.

LD im going to have to say that that hour or so you spent writing that, was truly incredible. Everything that i have ever thought about is now in words and a lot extra! That was actually amazing, thank you sooo much, most things now have been cleared up for me.

I have about another 4 or so weeks overseas until i get back, so i may have to hold out until i attempt to talk to this girl. I have met her before but it was ages ago about a year or two and now she has sprouted (gotten hotter with age). She probably has little recollection of who i am. I do want still think it would be a good idea to maybe start a week or so before i get back to sydney just to set up the ground work and so that we could potentially meet up. What are your thoughts on how i should initiate the conversation with her?

Thankyou as well cindy, that sounds like a great idea!

Hi man.

my pleasure.

well, if it is as you say, and you already chat often and have some good conversations, this should not be a problem. However, if this is the first convo you will have through facebook, i would suggest the following:

the plain simple: hi!
wait for reply... 'hi'
you: its been a long time! how are you doing?
etc, start the convo, take a genuine interest in how she is, what she has been up to, what she likes and dislikes, and take it from there.

However, do note, if you guys are not that familiar, you have no guarantees. She might not at all be interested in talking through facebook. You have to keep that into account. If you get to the point where there is convo, long conversations, i would say, start transitioning slowly. You are up for a game then.

One more thing btw: the tools of seduction, the mind games, are not to be played when desperate. Dont use them as a backup plan, whatever it may be you are trying. Like freezing out, you can only effectively do this when things are going good. otherwise, it will have no effect at all, except frustration on your side and perhaps some thoughts that this pu and seduction thing is crap after all. After all, you are 'ignoring' somebody who isnt interested at all at that point. There are games and tools for lots of situations, so pick them wisely i would say.

PU and seduction is not a science in such sort where 1+1 will always be 2. Its a science where facts change every day, where the general context and situation is more important then chasing the single fact.

You can keep us updated if you want.

lots of luck!

ciao.

Ps: i would start with the general conversations asap. Good, real seduction is not the same as the speed seduction.

_________________
"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Hi
I'm quite new to the game...
this is my first post and here it goes...

Yesterday I realized that a hot girl(9) poked me back, since I have poked her first about 1 month ago.. she was randomly picked on facebook. I don't know her and we have some fb-friends in common. Here's the convo (it is translated so I'll try to recreate the mood)
First two sentances were yesterday(I was offline) the rest is today


me: I realized you've poked me? I don't know when, but i wondering, what do
you think you're doing??Do we know eachother by some means?

her:I've probably poked you back sice you've poked me first. Because I never poke people just like that.

me: Hm, I highly doubt that, because I don't poke your kind of girls, but if you say so, then it must be the truth...
p.s. you look like a bitrhday present in that dress(she has some weird corset on her, photo taken from behind to show her back)

her: what kind of girls am I?

me: you know..sharp

her: How would you know which kind am I? Do I really look sharp? Im rather the oposite.. i think:)

me: I mean I don't know you, but that was my first impression when i saw your profile picture

her: Eh, no no... i have this one because I don't know which other to post..

me: Are you trying to say that you have the imagination to wear that dress, but not for a cool photo?

her: It's that I'm feeling kind of weird lately and i don't like any of the photos, so i chose this one because It's more neutral

me: I wouldn't agree that it's neutral... but it does have a spice of santa in it

her: he he it does.. :p

me: So do you have any feelings for Santa?

her: Am no..O.o who does??

me: Well i've allwas loved him, but he's not around much anymore, so I was wondering if you could tell him something good in my behaf

her: you could write him a letter

me: Yeah I tried, but he allegedly moved somewhere else... because all of my letters have been returned to me

her: Then it's hard for me to help you...

me: Jep I figured you were sharp, no worries I'll send him an e-mail

her: no response


It's obvious that I extended the santa joke and failed. would it been better if I were trying to triger her emotions in some way? rather continuing with the silly teasing... Can I still continue this one?

thanks for the help, Fisho

Hi man.

Ok, so i said it before and i ll say it again: if you want to do some real gaming, you will need to get out of the house. Online gaming is not really... gaming.

This is what you get. First, you poked her first then you deny it. that is quite lame. Thank god for your nice safe. Lets say you got your wits on your side.

For the rest, nice conversation, funny remarks. You ask yoruself the question if you should have done something else then rather crack one witty line after another.

the answer is yes you should have. but... getting after her emotions? How are you going to do that? Post pathetic pictures of yourself and beg her to look at them? Or, for gods sake, post some picture off you without a shirt like so many dumbass facebook loverboys?

At some point, you quit spitting jokes and you show your interest by simply asking: so who are you? What do you like in the life you live? Be aware that this is facebook, you dont see faces, all you have is plain text, and that just sucks. You dont really know who you are talking to, you dont know who else she is talking to but you do imagine that she only talks to you. The point is, at any time, no matter what you do, she can just stop the conversation. Why? because this is facebook and there are a lot of creeps online.

Can you continue with this one? yeah, you can always try. Perhaps she will respond, perhaps she wont. There is no way telling. Dont try to 'game' absolute strangers on facebook or whatever. that is not really Pick Up and you usually end up being played.

ciao!

_________________
"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

tnx man,
I'm now one step closer to reality after reading your post.

čao

Can you "poke" strangers on FB?

We dont speak at all at the moment and she has a pretty strong BS, which may be hard to get through as she is the type of girl who is always busy and quite hot. Thats why i feel like i need to come across as something different and unique not just like every other AFC attempting to pick her up over FB. But that i guess pretty much backs up your reason to not PU over FB.

Thankyou for the help man. i will keep you updated for sure.
so you think i should start conversation ASAP? i was more thinking wait until i am a week or so away from getting home so then i could arrange to meet up and real life game.?

p.s. sorry for late reply's i dont have a laptop so i have to travel to borrow my friends..

Personally i believe you can, yet i know LD will disagree with me. Facebook is such a good tool to use for finding HB's its filled with them haha. But with a poke as a first move it can be risky as you can just be left hanging there, with no poke back. Then when you try the next thing to start a conversation with her the chances of her wanting to reply are slim to none as she has already got the mind set "who is this creep who just poked me..." if you do poke her though and she reply's i would consider it a IOI for facebook, if there ever is such a thing haha. But at least it shows interest you know. If she doesnt poke back, dont give up, you just need to find another way to get her interest. Id probably start by speaking to her on chat with a witty line. Then bring it to a normal conversation and show actuall interest in her and listen to her about her life, like LD said. Thats what i would do though, but i would say stick away from pokes until you have established yourself as a person in her life.