Ok guys, I've been reading pick-up and studying non-stop for about 4 months now. My game has elevated dramatically. I consider myself to be a pretty successful PUA. Far from master, but I am successful now days.

I've got like 5 "girlfriends" that I'm seeing...some I've f-closed already, some I haven't yet. But it's fun. The problem is, a small part of me wants to enter an exclusive relationship with one of them. I dont' know why, and logically, it makes no sense...but I still think about it.

One of the biggest problems I have is that I no longer trust a woman to be loyal to her man. I think this will prevent me from ever committing my exclusivity to another woman ever again. (there are other things too) But I just think, knowing what I know now about women, that it's just plain foolish to think that a woman won't cheat if the right guy comes along and says and does the right things.

I mean, I've seen so much of this shit first hand and I have no doubts that a woman's love life decisions are based entirely on instinct. Logic is no where in the picture. The problem is, loyalty is a function of logic, not instinct.

Read this: http://www.dallaspua.com/articles/the_t ... _women.htm

I guess what I need to do now is find out for myself if married women will really cheat with no remorse as easily as the guy in the link above says they will. I am certain my ex-wife cheated on me several times, and I never cheated on her. It's like there's this whole "logical" vs "emotion/instinct" thing that I never realized before. I used to think women were a lot more logical than they really are.

I've elevated my game to the point that I can really do well in bars with single women my age, but how would I do with the married ones?

Who here as experience with gaming married women? Where do you meet them? Bars? Around town in "day game"? Any and all advice is appreciated.

Deep down inside, once I start intentionally targeting married women, I really HOPE to get blown out time after time after time. I hope I fail on every attempt...but I've got a really strange feeling that my success rate will be the same as it is with the single women. I just don't know how or where to "game" the married ones. Need advice from someone with experience.

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Alphagame

Women are all different man. Some will cheat, some won't. Most of the time it has a LOT to do with how well YOU take care of her sexually and emotionally.

I'm married myself and have dealt with other married women. Some of the women I've dealt with would cheat in a heartbeat, others wouldn't dream of it. My wife hasn't cheated. She has had sex with other guys, because I encouraged it, but she hasn't cheated.

So, it depends to a great extent on the woman and on how you "handle" her.

I do believe that it depends a lot on the guy taking care of his woman, but heck, there's no instruction manual on how to keep them loyal. I mean, when I was married, I was just a normal nice guy doing what seemed logical.

I'm guessing they'll cheat when they get bored with their man.

That's the entire problem. Eventually, EVERY guy is gonna make a mistake and the woman he's with will get bored.

The "checked-out" marriage, that is, the marriage where the man & woman have sex like 3 times a year...it's very common. Probably a lot more common than a marriage wher sex is going on every day.

I just have to see for myself. I want to target some married women and find out for myself, first hand, how hard it is to get them in bed. My gut feeling is this...they'll be some of the easiest targets on the planet if you game them right. If they're in a "checked-out" marriage and bored with their man, they're probably gonna accept the first guy that comes along and shows sexual interest. Most nice guys won't do this BECAUSE they see a ring on their finger and they know they're married. I doubt married women get hit on very often. And if they're in a "checked-out" marriage, I'll bet those women are just hoping the alpha male will come along with some balls and give them what they want. If they're bored in their marriage and a decent guy comes along and has the balls to express sexual interest, I bet they'll cheat in a split second.

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Alphagame

Natural instinct divtates a desire for women to "mate" (at least in the sexual sense) with Alpha males... thats how you make a strong pack/tribe/whatever... If she's not married to either a natural or a PUA, then she's with a beta and probably pumping out kid's from alpha's while the poor beta gets some 3 times a year and works to feed the little fuckers.

Doctor,

I gotta think it'll happen with the alpha male too. Eventually, she's gonna get bored with the same guy day after day. How can she not? Even if he's totally alpha???

Which, by the way, brings me to my next point...women will destroy your alpha characteristics slowly with guilt. I noticed one of my girlfriends doing this to me the other day. She's noticed me checking out other women in the past, but only recently has she started to call me on it...she's trying to make me feel guilt for checking out other women when I'm with her. She's like "Look! There's a good looking woman." She grabs my head and twists it in her direction. For whatever reason, I feel guilt for admiring beautiful women, but only when she calls me on it.

This is why I say, women will destroy your alpha characteristics one way or another with guilt. Once they make you feel guilt for something you wouldn't have otherwise felt guilt for, she realizes she has that power. She'll manipulate you with guilt. When she does this, she loses sexual attraction for you because you allowed her to manipulate you. Put it this way...I don't know a single married man who will say he's never been made to feel guilty. ALL married men have been manipulated with guilt no matter what they say.

But that's how they slowly take away your alphaness. They slowly cut your balls off with a guilt saw and you don't even realize it. It's natural for them to destroy your alpha characteristics...the characteristics they were sexually attracted to. After a certain point, you can't even relax on the couch and watch football without a nice heaping platter of guilt!

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Alphagame

You like getting capped or something?

Too many young single girls out there.

It would take a seriously hot married woman to make me even think about it. And even then I would more than likely go right on about my business..

How do I know? I'm married and if you fuck with my wife it will be a bad scene if I find out who you are. Just the way it is. Fortunately she's not that stupid. So the question becomes why do you want to fuck a stupid woman?

A PUA needs discipline too.

The lone exception might be if she was rich and was in the process of dumping her husband.

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Starbuck,

I just have to find out for myself how easily these women will cheat on their husbands. I mean, reading about the PUA in Dallas who f-closed all those married women and women with boyfriends...that's one thing. Seeing it first hand..that's another. I guess I'm like the folks from Missouri...show me and then I'll believe it.

Honestly, as I said earlier, I hope I fail on every attempt. I'd seriously like to believe that women can be trusted to remain loyal. From what I've seen, they can't. I think loyalty is a function of logic, not instinct. From what I've seen from my small and limited PUA carreer, there is absofuckinglutely NO logic in a woman's love life decisions. I mean, if there's anything taught in pick-up, it's that women are following thier instincts...if you don't appeal to them instinctively, you have no chance with them. It doesn't matter if you're a good catch logically because they don't use logic.

Even my nighbor across the street...his wife is over weight and ugly...but she cheated on him...with their PASTOR of all people.

I'm not saying all women will cheat and hopefully most won't. But mine sure as hell did. Some women come clean after the fact, most don't. I just don't want to be that guy ever again. If I run into a dead end time after time with the married women, I'll know there's a chance. If I find the kind of success I've found with single women, then I'll know for sure that a woman's committment and loyalty is worthless.

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Alphagame

That's not surprising at all.

'Some' women are just as stupid as some men.

If you're smart you'll avoid them like the plague. Or they're likely to rub off on you.

Like we say here often women have similar characteristics. That's not the same as saying they are all the same. On the contrary.

Maybe she's in the marriage for money, maybe her husband cheats on her, maybe it's an open marriage. You just never know sometimes. But one thing is for sure if that's all her commitment means to her, she aint worth my trouble.

All I'm saying is you'd better be careful. Finding whether she'll cheat on her husband or not isn't worth getting your brains blown out. Because there are alot of men who don't play in this area.

Now if you got a bone to pick with women because your former wife cheated on your, fine. But I'd suggest you get some professional help instead. You probably just got a bad apple. It says nothing about all women, nor should it be a reason for you to become just another low status male that will bang anything that spreads it's legs.

Somebodies got to be the bigger man.

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First of all Starkbuck what the fuck are you doing here as a married man? anyways it is a dangerous ground fucking with married women, I have to say myself I love married women, they do fuck like crrazy. I haven't yet but I can sense it in their eyes, some of them if not most of them see marriage just as a part of a family thing but keeping fucking going on is part of it too. I can look it in their eyes of course it has to be a alpha male or some type of alpha male that they consider so. It can be any one. Whoever they like but I bet it could be a dengerous ground.

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I didn't know that dickhead, I mean dicklow..

Thank anyways.

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