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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:47 pm 
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This is the first in a series of posts that I want to make to save me writing the same thing over and over. If any Mod wants to make it sticky, maybe it would reduce the amount of friendzone questions being asked the whole time. Who knows. We can only try.


(A) Are you in the friendzone because you did sexually escalate, and although you sensed mutual attraction, she had a boyfriend that prevented you from closing? If so, simply stay friends and stay the flirty, fun, confident guy you were when you first met. When they do break up, you'll be up there on the list of "guys I would fuck but can't right now" and then you just have to make your move. In the mean time, GAME OTHER WOMEN.


(B) Are you in the friendzone because you generated lots of lovely rapport with her, but didn't take things further?

If so, you are a PUSSY! Congratulations. Seriously though, we've all been there. It sucks.

Anyway, here's your plan.

(1) Cut off contact with her for at least a few days (weeks would be better). Make her wonder what's going on with you, i.e. think about you, maybe even miss you. This is emotional investment in you = GOOD. Be gaming other women the WHOLE TIME.

(2) Invite her to a social event that will involve other women, hopefully some of whom are interested in you, or just female friends. Hell, even your buddy's girlfriend(s) that you get on with. You want to make sure she sees you in a social situation where you are relatively high value, i.e. organising it, being the centre of attention, etc. Make sure you are being high energy, fun, and flirty and sexual with the women (not in a creepy way, in the way that you might poke a female friend or slap her ass or something)

(3) When she arrives, greet her warmly and make introductions. The person making the introductions is the highest value person in the room, even if it's not their event.

(4) Don't give her all your attention initially. You're with your friends obviously. But, take a bit of time to ISOLATE her at some point.

(5) Be INCREDIBLY FLIRTY AND SEXUAL WITH HER. If you want her to reconsider you as a sexual partner rather than a platonic friend, once you've spiked your attraction levels with steps 1-4, you HAVE to show you're INTERESTED. To keep things congruent, you could say something like "you know Jess, I never really saw it before but when you make an effort and put yourself together, you're actually a pretty sexy little devil aren't you! ;-)" This way, you're basically saying that your lack of escalation previously was because you didn't really see her in that way, but now you do, you are attracted to her. Similarly, if you hit some qualification and comfort and break some new ground, you can say how incredibly attractive some quality of hers she just told you about is, and how you're actually thinking about her differently now.

(6) ESCALATE. Kino, push-pull, seductive eyes, voice tonality, body laungauge, etc. Do it all. Here's something to think about - if you want her to see you in a sexual way, you have to overcome however many weeks or months or years it's been of her assuming you're not sexual. You have to be willing to risk losing the friendship somewhat. That being said, in general a woman will respect you MUCH MORE if you actually try and seduce her and she rejects you (and you don't react negatively) than if she knows you like her and you do nothing. Think of the touchy-feely flirty guy. He'll go too far and the girl won't just run away screaming. She'll just push his hand away and giggle. That doesn't mean NO, it means NOT YET. If you take rejection by just pulling back, continuing a conversation and then trying again, you can probably get further. A lot further than if you pout and go "I thought you liked me, boo hoo."
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If you find yourself in the friendzone consistently, it's likely that you're generating attraction and building rapport, but then becoming too worried about losing the rapport you've build to DO anything. In order to move the interaction forward, you have to stop agreeing with everything she says, and be willing to tease her, bust on her a little, disagree with her about things, and generally show that you're your own man with your own sense of reality, and you're sucking her into YOURS.

You have to be willing to make her more comfortable with you by touching her. Just lightly and in a friendly way at first, but gradually in a more sexual way. If you're worried about suddenly going in for a kiss, then you're doing it wrong. You should already be comfortable holding her waist, touching her legs, and even holding her hand before, by which point a kiss is hardly a sudden jump.

Finally, you have to be willing to just try something different and risk losing the girl. What you're doing right now doesn't seem to be working, so why not go out there and just be like "today I'm going to experiment with being the creepy-touchy guy and see what happens." Don't think, "oh what if she doesn't like me" just think "aha, here's another test subject to try my kino tricks on, I wonder how she'll react." If it seems daunting to you, just go out and get blown out intentionally by saying the worst chat up line or something. Then realise how ridiculous it is to care. What is she gonna do? Punch you? No.

TRY IT!

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MAKE THIS STICKY!

good work mate

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But what if she is a soap opera star and I think she gave me an IOI by looking at my eyes 1ce except on the show she has a thing with 2 OTHER GUYS I dunno how 2 amog 2 guys simultaneously but i think she likes me I haven't had a conversation yet but I watch her show a lot. help!


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amazing post.

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So I went ahead and tried this out with a girl I've known a long time but lost contact with this summer
I dont feel like typing so I'll keep it short
1. Re-initiated contact
2. Suggested we catch up
3. Used standard flirty stuff that I normally didnt use with her
4. Kissed her on the cheek
5. She's been texting me and they've been getting more and more sexual.

Success


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good shit i like how u put it all together in one post so i dont have to scour for it if needed :)


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I second the call to make this a sticky, it's pretty good stuff


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Top stuff. Sticky this.

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I saw this in a link you posted as a reply and you did a great job on this post. It should be stickied because too many good posts get lost in the sea of pages of different threads.


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