hey guys, i have recently been to germany and i got some awesome clothes, and have also got a good hairstyle. this part of me is complete now thanks to the world of pick up so i would like to thank all the people who have gotten me to this point. my confidence has rissen 200% because a few months ago i wouldnt of dreamed about even wearing these clothes at all.

anyways to get to the point. i went out the other night and this is the first time i wore the clothes, got my style done ect. i noticed little changes to the way women were acting around me but because i didnt even expect such a difference it really caught me off guard because i wasn't even going out to pull.

firstly when i got to the pub to meet a couple of freinds the hot bar maid was actually jsut making general conversation with me, i made her laugh then sat down. as she was unloading some sort of small elevator for cups and stuff i caught her looking at me at the corner of my eye. im sure she was trying to get my attention. also when i went to the bar for my next drink, she said "im so full from that sandwich". i was thinking "errrr...what?" then i just came out with "well it cant be better than a chicken legend!." my point here is that i was just so confused with what she said. i think it was cos of the amount of disinterest in this conversation that it just put me off. either way she made conversation with me, was this a failed attempt on her part or should i of made it better somehow? if so how could i of done?

secondly, i got to a club and went for a little dance, came back and there was a girl sitting with my freind kat. i sat down and ket got up to go to the bar. i said to the gilr, "so how do you know kat?" i had to repeat myself 3 times to get an answer were she said "i dont know her". by the way the clubs in my town are too loud you cant make conversation anywhere. she then just sat there for a minute and she was waiting for me to make convo. because normally women jsut leave me i just wasnt expecting her to stay there. i then panicked didnt say anything and about a minute later she said, "im going now anyways". the bars here are too loud i think even if i did start talking it wouldnt lead anywhere because she couldnt even here me when i was shouting, opinions?

ok the final thing is that i saw a 4 set, but i jsut toally did everything wrong. there was a long bench and i was sitting at the end. on my own cos my freinds had gone for a smoke so i was looking after the drinks. i saw the girls beside me, i then aproached one by sitting next to her and said "hi can i get an opinion on something?" and asked whether i should set up a 80's night or a jungle night for my mates birthday. my voice was a little jumpy and i didnt seem confident at all, she then just turned around to her mates and then they jsut got up and walked away, i was so ashamed at that moment. then i was jsut sitting there on my own looking worried cos of what happened so i instantly got up and went for a smoke.

anyways just some opinions on what i can do here, specially about the girl who jsut stayed there. i know that it was a perfect oportunity would an opinion opener work here? she obviously wanted me to talk to her. also whati can i do about too much noise? its really making me want to just not do it where i live cos it seems pointless cos im not experianced enough to pull anyone without verbal conversation so i got no chance pulling on body language. anyways. opinions please.

what i learnt from this experiance is that when you do look good, it creates more oportunities. i was caught off guard ad int he future when i go out dressed up i should just make freindly conversation instead of thinking about what to say. either way, looking awesome gives u better results, it gives u openings.

btw sorry about the grammer.

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Hi pal...good post, just to make it clear I'm brand new to the forum so what ever say don't read too much in to it! lol

Try to think more about the positives than the negatives

Positives: The Girl making conversation at the pub, people looking at you differently because you was dressed differently.

What I do is see these as "Mini Victories!" or "Progress!" for urself, you build on these so next time you feel a little more confident and a little more to work with

ok the Negatives lol....

Negatives: Chicken legend, approaching the 4 set which walked away. Two words all i can say about that is "FUCK IT!" sounds like a real crash and burn lol but fuck it

You have to get that engraved in your mind to become fearless around gurls - seems like you failed even before you started approaching the gurls (mainly to the fact of the tone of your voice/mannerisms etc) I know its the Fear factor what you have but you just have to get over it (Easier said than done! lol)

There is so many ways to approach this fear factor, and it depends on the individual (you!) which is best. One thing I did (this helped me to an extent I suppose!!!) I would approach a girl at the bar who was on their own and I look really positive and smiling and go

Me: "Excuse me? Are you going to the bar??"
The Gurl: "Yes!"
ME: "That's great can you buy me a bud!"
The Gurl: Fuck Off! (most common answer!")

the reason I do this is get use to rejection (I do it with a friend who's in the background so at least u can laugh with sum1 and you won't look weird when you get rejected)

I'll be honest though when I've approached these gurls and I'm getting ready to get "Shot down!" and I asked the the first question many have responded positively until Intentionally screw it up. Is it because i'm right near the bar? is it because I relaxed and smilling? etc who knows maybe both

anyway I hope this essay has helped you out lol

btw check out my "First trainee PUA report" I'll be puttin on soon!

Cheers!

PHOENIXJ

Ps. Chicken Legend lol i've said some random shit to gurls to so don't worry about it! lol

you know what, im going to try that. not only are you just talking to em and getting used to being shot down and what ever but you can get a rush out of it aswell. like you say you can hhave alaff with ya mate and then you dont look like a weirdo infront of other people. i will keep it in mind dude, im actually going out tonight and if i get the chance i will use it. yer i know the chicken legend was totally lame right LOL. the thing is though she just came out with this random topic on sandwhichs thats what put me off lol. anyways cheers man i will try this and yes i think like you do about the advantages, its more of a big achievement though .

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Ha ha no worries, I'am just happy you found some parts helpful because Im just as clueless lol...tell me how it goes!

and btw MAKE sure you try that little exercise..don't say if I get the chance, you won't do it otherwise!

Cheers

PHOENIXJ

If its too loud to talk then not much point in asking what you should say. Instead you gotta take her to the dance floor and shake yo hips! You can try to kino and work for a kiss. She could step outside with you for a smoke and then you can talk a bit too. Personally, I would ditch the smoking completely.

Or just say "its too loud in here, I know a place we can go to chat." And take her to a more low key bar, grab a coffee, or get some food together.

To the 4 set, not fuck it...more like FUCK THEM. Your opener was fine. If they really did leave immediately from that then there isn't much you can do. You made the approach and that's what counts.

FUCK THEM who cares because the next one is gonna bite.

yer man good fucking shit. i went to a club last night and the music was awesome, bit of funky house on the go so i wason the dancefloor all night. danced with about 3 10's. danced with a lot that night but i didnt escalate in any way, i was just putting it through my head that i can dance with hot women even if i think im not much of a good dancer, slowly but surely guys. small steps at a time.

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"RON WHERE ARE YOU?"
"IM IN A GLASS BOX OF EMOTION!!"

You confidence isn't high enough, your focusing too much on the outcome and what to say, practice some routines and dhv stories before "trying" to remember them, otherwise you think about them too much and end up crash and burning.

First problem - "Err what" "Chicken legend!" Were you so focused on what to properly say to get her to like you that you messed up and said something totally dumb and blatantly showed you were going for her(DLV) You need CONFIDENCE before you try anything! How do you get confidence? Practice running game on girls that are friends but make it less attraction and more so practicing canned material because all routines take many tries before they come out naturally, so if you see a big set and you just read an opener right before you left your gonna do horribly!

Second Problem - Loud clubs, impossible to pickup, i've tried, its too hard!(thats what she said..) So my suggestion is dance then isolate if you really want to talk and spit game or sarge at a different place in the venue where its quieter or somewhere else besides a club. If you haven't hooked her attention yet, run another opener anything, here is what I would of done

HB:"i dont know her"

Me: Oh ok, well you look pretty smart I'd hope (smile - mild neg) so can I get you opinion on something?

HB: Sure!

You:(Not my opener by the way)This may sound like a weird question, but would you sleep with Jesus?
Like ok. It’s the year of 25 and your sitting at a bar in Jerusalem and this dude Jesus
walks over and he sits down next to you. He orders you a water and turns it into wine.
Would you have sex with him?
(blah, blah, blah)

then you could transition to A2 and start dhving, negging, and running some kino routines

Third Problem: "there was a long bench and i was sitting at the end. on my own " Look at that scenario in your head, your with 3 of your girlfriends and this stranger guy at the end of the bench sits down with out saying anything then tries to ask you a question. Yeah bad scenario, what you did wrong was convey lack of confidence by saying nothing at first, the fact that you were alone too gave you negative social proof meaning you were a creeper.

What you should of done was as you passing by asked the least hot hb for the time and then be say "oh thank-you so much I'm waiting for my friend right now, he should be back in a few minutes but hey I need an opinion on something real quick, then you run the opener, see how that works, the fact that you were alone made your social proof lower so you have to have a very mild opener then follow it up with a bigger one after in order to get the social hook point!

Hope this helps, keep practicing!

-Shawoo

yes shawoo that was very useful, when it happened it never occured to me that i ever DLV'd myself what so ever. that jesus opener is gold lol, i will practise that on freinds first. confidence is deffinitley something i need to work on. everyone advice here is really spot on thanks alot guys.
take it easy

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"IM IN A GLASS BOX OF EMOTION!!"