Hi all, thankyou for reading my post. I am writing this as I DESPERATELY need some honest criticism or evaluations as to why I am failing so hard, feel free to comment on anything u pick up on however small or big.

Right so tonite was my 2nd nite out that I tried to apply what I have learned about PUA stuff. It was particularly disappointing that nothing seems to have worked, and ofc going home alone again lol.

Location: London Uni bar A , B (yes full of students, most guys there has better game than me)
Time: Friday nite 7:30 pm - 2am

Anyways here are my self-analysis of what I fail on:

When I walk into a venue, I keep my heads up with a slight smile on my face to feign a confident look. ( i find that by default when I dont smile atall, I look miserable or even hostile. then I get freaked out looks in return)

It seems to me that despite how I tried to make myself presentable, I could not get positive reactions from MOST women even if I do approach. (Now I know that even the most seasoned PUA doesnt get attention from all HB, but still)

*IT SEEMS TO ME IT ALL COMES DOWN TO FEMALE MATE CHOICE (purely by what they think of your look) wouldnt you say??? what to do?

The most shocking thing is that, I dont really get to use my PUA stuff. Like If I chat with a girl, I dont even get via Attraction stage.

They either blank me/ give a one word reponse/ show active disinterest but carry on talking just to be polite

Now what causes me the most problem is that, the HB in question often isnt even the slightest bit interested in spend any time of her day in engaging in conversation with me.

Negging seems to fail, since all it does is either make them turned off even more, or they would now ignore me.

When I do get them to talk, I tried to use some DHV stories such as what I do for living (education related), I tried to make it interesting by saying how it is a job with a all sorts of role in one. This seems to not interest most women I talk to, or they would demonstrate even higher value e.g. they work in an investment bank or something. In those situations, should I then keep busting out more DHV stories to try to match them in hoping to get the girl interested or should I roll off?? How many would yous say is enough to know I wont get anywhere?
I honestly think I need to get some better scripted DHV stories even if they are completely bogus. Where can I get them?

I find it hard to get the girl to qualify herself to me, even at times that I feel the HB are slightly interested in me. I tried using baits but the HB either see right via them or they just dont qualifying herself but ramble on to some next random shit.

Today, I was so horried by my performance on the dancefloor. I cant dance for shit. I didnt even have the guts to force myself into any sets of HB that were dancing. Where do I learn about dancefloor game???

some questions I really cant figure out in my head is, how come people can hear each other under loud music and have convo? makes me think Im deaf or something?? What do most guy say to girls they are dancing with to make them laugh?

Oh I forgot to mention, I went there alone today (faking that I had "friends" that arent here yet). I bumped into a few acquaintances and they must have clocked that I am a loner I need a wingman to practice pu with really.

Also finally, I seems to get the feeling that I am judged by others in the venue as having a LOW Social value. What do I need to do to correct this?

That is alot of text I know, but I am really going crazy. Until I find the solutions to these sticking points I am on a road to nowhere.
So I would really appreciate any tips on any part of what I have written.
I am a noob SPAM, but I have made myself a resolution to get to the top, and I hope that I would be able to give something back once I am there too... one day.

good news mate, doesn't sound like ther is anything that cant be fixed.
bad news, it might take a fair old bit of work.

-want you to tell me what openers you use.

-script one of your dhv stories for me and i will edit it or tell you some better ones

-going alone is never a good idea, you need a group of mates or a wing

-consider doing the newbie challenge

-what games and canned routines do you use? i can suggest plenty

-buy/steal/download 'magic bullets' and read it cover to cover

-buy/steal/download 'Neuro linguistic programming for dummies' and learn how to alter your own reality and change your limitting beliefs.

-its not all about looks, looks only give a girl an initial interest in you, things like status, social intuition and personality are far more powerful, but by all means make the best of what god gave you in the looks department

any way i can help, let me know, post here or pm me.

you CAN do this

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I usually try to come up with a situational opener, as I find them more "natural" sounding. so for example, If I am on a dance floor I see some HB sitting down, I tease them about being boring, and ask them to get up and dance with me. If I cant think of anything good, I simply say "hi" followed by a question or a statement explaining to justify talking to the HB.

DHV1 is about my job, since most people WILL ask you what you do.
I dont have a hard script, but I more or less say the folowing:
My job consists of different roles everyday. (this usually makes them wonder what the hell i am on about) Sometimes I am a comedian, sometimes a nany, sometimes a mentor, sometimes a scientist etc etc... ( and make them Guess).
Of course I tell them at the end I am a teacher. I then basically say that Its doesnt feel like a job cos its what you enjoy doing blah blahblah. clieche stuff.

DHV2 If they enquire more into it, I tell them about an occasion when I was new to the profession. My mentor was sick at the last minute, and I had to take over without any preparations, but I managed to get it all together and lead the class well.

DHV3 ? Most of the other time, people ask me where I am from. (I speak with a standard londoner accent without much slang from other dialects) this kinda creates a confusion on people's face. I usually ask them to guess, then I tell them its XYZ.
I ask them if they have ever been to XYZ. Then I would bullcrap about how fantastic it is for holiday blah blah blah.

I dont have many more DHV stories, I usually stick to the concept of making myself seem great or interesting without actually verbalising it. But Im not sure if it comes off as bluffing, or just not genuine.

I dont go with my best mates, who are all way past this stage in their love lives. I would say I probably have the social skills/experiences to that of a teenager. They already been there, done that. One of my other mate who is a natural has done 50 HB or just about. I dont hang around with him, because we have seperate social circle due to education/work, althought I have known him sinced year 7 so (11 years). But also I dont get anywhere while he is here. I am not at the level of skills he is at, so he doesnt really hang around with me when sarging. (but for other events we hang out).

I have done the newbie challenge already, but I still have a lot of AA esp. the HB 8-10. I am ok appraoching 5, 6-7.

In terms of styles, I usually go indirect game for places that getting blown out would have a negative influence on me and DLV to other girls e.g. uni bar.
This however seems to be not very effective atall. I find that most of the girls are so talkative themselves that they get bored with me lol.

I go direct when I tried to test out cold approaches on the street, but I dont relly have any other applications for that.

I dont know much else.

I got the magic bullets and NLP, reading it now.

I know what you say about looks arent the most important. But do you not feel like a girl who is NOT interested in you ( even though they may have only just met you), wont want anything to do with you no matter how you try. You end up looking needy and come off as a creep.

if your in londonthen you MUST contact blondguy. his posts on here have been a great insight to me and we agree very much on how game should be played. he is actually offering to teach people daygame in london for free. so look him up. if i was down south, i would be sarging with him to learn from him. he is one of the guys i pm when i have sticking points so you should find his help indespensable.

situ openers are ok, but i much prefer opinion openers, which are also pretty indirect. on two or more girls (i prefer approaching groups rather than 1 hb anyway as this has several benefits) as it hooks the girls much quicker and the conversation flows much more naturally. and one of my wee secrets is that the smoking area outside a bar/club is the easiest place to open as you are all kinda stuck together and bored so youcan make the opener seem much more casual and less chance of her seeing your true motives. consider; new shirt opener, gay shirt opener, mates jealous gf opener, who lies more men or women and most of the opinion openers in magic bullets work just fine.

also when you open are you planting false time constraints? this makes the girls open up to you easier cos it takes away the worry that they will be stuck with you all night.

your stories are not really dhv mate, with all due respect your job isnt glamorous. if they ask you what you do, say you repair disposable lighters, they will laugh and it keeps them guessing. a true dhv story would demonstrate how you are a protector of friends and loved ones (you faught to protect your mate/ex gf/sister/whatever, blah blah) or it can be to show your preselection by women. (how a high status good looking woman approached you blah blah, you dated for a while, blah). the danger with dhv stories is that if you are not carefull you come across as boasting which is not cool so try to word them cleverly so that she is drawing her own conclusions. ideally you and a wing tell dhv stories about eachother to minimise the risk of looking like some bragging guy. use ones which are true if possible. all my dhv stories are true, although i do tweak the truth here and there. also do you have a cool hobby? i do thai boxing (muay thai, as seen in jean claude van dammes kickboxer), blood sports seem to go down well as it puts you in an alpha male frame. if your in good shape, you might be able to blag it, but why not take it up for real? you might meet some cool new mates to go out with.

also consider using games and canned stuff like 5 lies game, fuck-kill-marry, the lying game, esp. these are all short, sweet and fun to do and fun for the girls. you will find more games in 'magic bullets'.

i would say you have a bit of negativity and some limitting beliefs and i wonder if this comes accross when opening? im guessing so as u say u have aa, so chances are girls can see yo are nervous. the nlp book i told you bout will help with this as it teaches you to rewire your own mind and redraw your 'map of the world'

i hope you can take a fair bit from this post as everything is tried and tested by yours trully and has worked. also practice smiling and your openers, new dhv stories and routines in the mirror over and over till they sound natural and think of related conversations you can take of them to stop you running out of things to say. think of phrases and sentences to take you from one part of your routine to another to make it all seem natural!

let me know what you think!

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Manhoking, are you my double or something?

Realte to a helluva lot to what you say - the difficulty in making an interesting DHV etc. But I would say that bars and nightclubs (studenty or not) are not the be all and end all. I am trying daygame and "early evening game" too if you call it that. I would go to a student-y pub or even a Student Union at dusk but not stay till the late hours of loud pumping music. One of the many reasons daygame seems to have come into style is the fact that it provides an alternative to picking up girls but avoiding the cliches of drinking and clubbing!!

@ fifeguy

Ok I see your point. Ill try to get in touch with blondguy to see what I can learn from him.

I do find it hard to engage a set of HB ( I never realised that it is actually easier to hook and have converstation.) which is why I usually try it on a HB on her own. It is true though that It instantly raises her alarm bell, but I wonder how I can put in a false time constraint without sounding unnatural.

As to DHV stories, I am really bad with making things up lol, which is probably why I find it hard to do small talk with women. My job is just what I do for living, If I was say a dustbin man, I would try to make it sound cool by calling it "enviornmental officer" or something XD

Thanks for the advice, I will defintiely try to come up with some DHV stories, bridging sentenses and related topics. As to my body language, facial expression, and my voice. I think I will have to practice ahellalot in front of a mirror and maybe record and listen to myself until I get it perfect.

I went to a gathering yesterday, I watched how he stacked his routine when he talked to a HB. He is probably not a PUA but everything tht he did seem to fit into the PU models and he does it so smoothly and naturally.
He had a really cool phone/pda thingy, he got it out and everyone was wowed by it. He caught the attention of a HB and he blagged about the function and went on to Bullshit about his expertise in electronic stuff. He joked, laughed alot himself and was abit self deprecating to not come off as arrogant. He then sat down next to the girl and started chatting. I didnt hear what he said exactly, but he talked about his job, how he has "loads of friends", he dropped in stories about him and his female friends, and that he is a mixed martial artist. He show a lot of animations on his face when he listen to the HB, and kept eye contact. I noticed that the HB laughed quite a lot even thought some of what he said wasnt really funny. He also try to banter with other friends from time to time to show that he is sociable, even ignoring the HB for a bit. I saw that this actually makes the HB want to talk to him more. The group then went to play a game, he got lucky and got an answer right, his celebration act was over the top ofc, but it was a DHV. He then started taking photo of others, and after a few shot he got us to take photo of him and the HB. I thought to myself "smooth bastard". After that the game finsihed, everyone diserpated. He then chat to this other girl ok UB but still, who sat next to him. It was an intersting move I though as I watched the reaction from the HB, who seemed to alittle bothered by that. This however made him look preselected by other women, and introduced a kinda jealousy plot.

I know how he did it, but I dont know if I can pull it off myself.

@ salad finger

LOL I just saw your posts. Its good to know that I am not alone !

I think I will try to play more day games whenever I am out. I do have some reservation as to where I use it though, like for example if youre in a packed area where there is a lot of people around you. Would you still open? How would you make it less "wierd"?

now i am convinced that you can do this my man. your attitude is spot on, you are willing to take advice and put it into practice and work hard. and obviously you do not have a complete lack of social intuition as you analysed the situation with that guy and the hb very well and you were able to work out why she was becoming attracted to him. use this guy as a model. replicate his behaviour. he displayed a lot of the same behaviours and characteristics as me, think about it;

-he does mma, as i have said, i also do blood sports and this is an instant DHV and flips an attraction switch, one of the biggest ones too. you are strong and you can handle yourself and protect her, you dont fear anyone, your fit and healthy. -this is what tells her. the reason it attracts is because its hard wired into the female minds from the caveman times. you really should make inroads towards this.

-he uses props/games to entertain the group, not jus the hb. as i said, i think its much easier to attract a girl in a group than one on her own, as you can ignore her, use some real push-pull tactics. by the way, when approaching the group, dont open the hb, maybe the person sitting next to her, then work the rest of the group, and let her open you. which she will if you entertain everyone and she thinks your cool! dont talk much about yourself initially to see if it makes her curious and ask questions about you. (ioi)

-he used another girl as a pawn (if he knew her previously knew her she was possibly a pivot -a female wing). pawns and pivots can be very very usefull. if you have any hot female friends why not enlist there help? (DHV, preselection) i have asked girls i havnt even met before to pivot for me. some will do it for the fun of it! all you need to say is, 'i know i dont know you and this is really random but would you talk me up in front of that girl? i really like her./make that girl jealous? i really like her.'

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- Giacomo Casanova

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