Ok, so ive met a few girls in the last 2 weeks and been on a day2 with two, still texting one of them, forgot bout the one i didnt go on a day 2 for and still sorta texting these day 2 girls

Ok so they are both playing hard to get, but one of them is fine; ive got control of the situation now

And then other one.. so i phoned her saturday, no reply of course, then i text her something stupid and we got to texting for a few messages and i asked if shes free this saturday evening, she said shes going for a drink with her mates, so i said ok;

"how bout wednesday or thursday, cos ive been told about this place that i want to check out, its meant to be really good; and if its not well then we can just go round a terrorise london! xx"

she replied saying shes got work and college, so i sent her another message saying "well instead then we can go *place* after you finish college next thursday? x"

And no reply... is this her saying now shes not interested or do girls try this little 'i'll ignore him and let him text me for a third time before i go out with him'

i actually gave myself a deadline for the other girl, and havent done with this girl... maybe i should leave her and not text/phone again? or text one more time...? what do you guys think?

This hard to get thing doesnt go well for me, if anything it doesnt attract me more to them just pushes me away...

Hey man.

Ok, honesty time.

continue with the one 'you got control over'. Drop the other one. She isnt interested. this is such a situation where you should be honest with yourself. If she really was dazzled, she would make time or at least make a counter offer. She didnt.
Also, be more honest with yourself. I would have dropped her already after the second proposal. I would have said: text me if you find the time. Something like that. I know she aint going to do that, but i put the ball in her camp. and me, i am already looking for somebody else.

If i didnt know any better i would say that this second girl is in your head. You think about it, because she doesnt reply and you dont seem to be able to get through. Leave it. You cant get through, look for somebody else. She doesnt want to.

Fuck the hard to get bullshit. If you want something, then go for it. If you want to get to know these girls better, let them know that is what you want. their actions will speak truth to you.

try to do as much things as possible together. try to limit the texting. Texting sucks, it should only be a means of getting the message through, or in advanced seduction, as a means to manipulate. and that in itself is actually only a side thing.

So, remember: real life beats texting. Be honest with yourself, before you text or ask to meet for i dont know how many times.

if you got questions, shoot

ciao!

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The one i have control over doesnt excite me, she comes off as she'd be clingy and needy and i dont want to sleep with a girl and have them all over me like that in my life right now

Im gonna text that other girl tomorrow i think "drop me a text if you find some free time to go london" (or wherever else)

If no text back within a few days ill just take it shes not interested, but if she does text me saying shes free whenever day would you ever call a girl out on playing hard to get? or would you just play along with it or whatever?

Cos i was looking on her facebook and she recently wrote "im not ignoring you, im just seeing if youll make the effort"

The other girl did something similar but didnt play it out for as long as this one is trying to, so now im stuck between two options;

ignore her now and see if she texts me in a few days or text her in a few days telling her to text me when she gets free time to go for a drink or something

I think if it was any other girl i wouldnt give two shits (unless they were just as attractive or more than her haha), she has a magnetic personality too! its madness!

I would add the passive one to your list of guys and girls you invite out on weekends going clubbing or whatever. She may just honestly be busy, or unsure about where you stand. If she does come, you can make perfectly clear where you stand by escalating (plus you'll be surrounded by girls, making her more attracted to you and jealous). If not, keep inviting her out casually a few more times and then forget about her.

The one who you have "control" over, if you're worried about her commitment stance, then game her as normal, and in qualification and comfort phases, explain where you stand.

"You know, I think the way society works is really fucked up. If a guy goes around having loads of women [you can self-point here for a bit of NLP], he's a casanova and is generally respected by other men. If a girl does the same thing [do NOT point at her], even her girlfriends will call her a slut. I think that's wrong, don't you? (If she doesn't say yes, something's wrong) The way I see it, I think we need to separate sex from love from relationships. They're all different. I think a guy and girl [point to you and her] should be able to enjoy each other sexually, then if it's good and they get on, they can have a relationship, and then if they find their both sexually and emotionally and intellectually compatible, then you can start talking about commitment and love, but not until then."

She should probably open up at this point and you'll see where she stands on the issue. If she's majorly into commitment, you're better off staying clear. But you might as well find out rather than not pursuing her simply because she MIGHT become clingy, no?

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Ok ill do that, would it be a bad idea inviting both these girls or other girls that are attracted to me that ive spoken to before from different places to club with me my friends and her?

I dont want to use a girl thats interested in me as a prop to get another girl right infront of her as she'll most likely leave, and if its a work colleague then this would definately get awkward

It's not a bad idea, it's THE idea. Putting yourself in a situation where you have multiple girls competing for your interest is EXACTLY what you want to do in a club situation. It massively raises your value so you can more effectively game the other women in the venue, it makes the girls in the group become more attracted to you and jealous, and you put yourself in the fantastic position of literally being able to pick which girl(s) you want to take home with you that night!

(Don't game the work colleague though...)

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ok, so im taking that gaming girls infront of girls that are attracted to me would definately work in my favour.. jealousy wise...?

I thought that would push them away and make them think im not interested? DAMN, i thought wrong.. haha

and yeah ok, so ill LJBF zone the girls at work and use them to 'Wing' me if i go clubbing with them

Ok, i am sorry to say this, but i have the feeling that this is going into the wrong direction.

First: do you realize, as you say that the girl you 'have control over' looks clingy and needy, that you give the same vibe to the other one? She refuses up to 3 times in a row, yet you still want to send her another message, as an ultimate attempt to still get a date. And you state that you will even wait a few days... i am sorry mate, you are not gaming, but you are being played.

Facebooking you that she is not ignoring you... she should better say that in your face to make it believable. I would facebook her back (because of lack of seeing her in person) that i am not ignoring her either, putting in some effort, but if she cant meet again, there is no point in keeping contact. Expect an effort from her side as well! Then, for all i care, she can go to hell if she doesnt like it.

but then again, this is part of the problem, because you do care! she is in your head. Face it, you cant let her go, you cling on to 'her', and 'her' being 2 dates and a couple of text messages.

And then a related point: being in control of the other one... Unless she is chained at your chair, following your every order, she is not under your control. But dont you think that you have this feeling of control because of the way you think of her? You are not that attracted to her, but because she is a bit more responsive and plays less games, you have this feeling of control. so dont kid yourself.

next point: why would you call a girl on 'playing hard to get'? You dont even know if you can get her. and it is not playing along. It is stating what you want with this girl. its either doing something together to get to know each other better or it is not. But if it is not, you should stop wasting your time on her. She might indeed be honestly very busy, but do you think she would say: 'i have to work/study" when Bratt Pitt would ask her? I think not. She is in your head, and you are obviously not in her head, from what i can make of your posts and her actions.

Furthermore, the whole 'lets go clubbing and get people jalous' -theory. You cant get her to go on a date with only yourself, why do you think she is willing to go to a club with you and your friends? THen there she is, all by herself and the only dude she knows is the one she doesnt really want to go alone on a date with.

Furthermore, you already think that these girls are attracted to you, by on what do you base yourself? On IOI's you get? Explain this further please. Girls that are attracted to you, you do better to take them out alone, not in a group. Besides, you dont know what effect this 'lets make her jealous' thing will have. These are persons you are dealing with, not computers. Some will think you are not interested, others will be jealous. But then again, for those who are jealous, meaning this jealousy comes from attraction, you should go out with them alone.

One reason more, playing games like 'making jealous' is playing games. Do you think she will fall in your arms and kiss you wildly? Hmm, i guess not, i think she will be playing games back at you. And sometimes you will see through the game, but more often you will be back here, asking us what her behavior means.

Regarding the 'controlled girl': there is no point in qualifying the controlled girl because you made it clear already that she doesnt pass your qualification already.

According to your plans, the girls at work will happily 'wing' you if you go clubbing. What do you mean by that? What do you think they will do? Be your shadow all night and cry out in euphory how divine you are? I know, i am exaggerating, but i am faithful that you catch my drift.

So my advice to you is: Instead of texting this one girl again, i would work a bit more on being emotional not committed. Remember, you are chasing this girl/dragon, but i cant see anywhere that you realize that this dragon has power over you. Great power in your case. Leave the game playing until you can distance yourself and your feelings from your target. Then, and only then, you can use 'games' as tools.

Straight Up, i am not trying to put you down as i might come over quite direct and aggressive, i am just saying what i think about the matter. It is you call ofcourse.

@blondguy: With all due respect, but i think your advice here on this thread was not very insightful.


ciao

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Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Well both of them I already go clubbing with as I go with their friends/my friends, but I do see how you mean

And I did feel quite strongly about this one especially but she's turned me off her quite a bit of this game that she's trying to pull off, I'm not gonna bother texting her again

And by control over the other one I meant I'm controlling the situation fine and comfortably with her

I don't think girls get with guys and tell them they want you to stay in their bed tonight after the first few hours of meeting a guy if there wasn't even the slightest bit of attraction there? Or would they?

You've got a good point to the 'wing woman' part, but if We all go to the pub for pre drinks and I bring 3 hb8+s along with me to introduce to my current friends I club with it's an automatic dhv and gives huge social proof does it not?

I actually wrote a post called 'reframeing' which in that post it is about her, so I do know that she has power over me... That's why I asked in the post how I can bring the power over to me, how could I do this? Just by ignoring her?

And No; it's fine... I'm taking it as constructive criticism, im an open minded guy so I'm taking everyones advice I to consideration

Much appreciated for the reply