My buddy and I were talking about this and althought he made a few good points I wanted to see what other people's opinions were.

We were talking about whether or not its good to say your intentions with a woman very soon after you meet them. Say you like a girl you've talk to a few times whether its in a classroom, gym, coffee shop, etc should you come right out and say "hey I like you and I wanna take you out sometime soon what do you say?"

I'm not saying thats exactly howd it'd say it to her, but just to give you an idea of what we mean. My buddy thinks this is better because it will often totally surprise the woman and it keeps you from slowly drifting to the friend zone.

What do you think?

depends on two things

1. the feelings of the girl. is she into you? does she engage u? is she flirting with you?

i dont think u need to say "i like you" to a girl in order for her to know. all u gotta do is flirt with her, make her laugh, tease her, compliment her on some things, and she should know that u like her. soo if she likes u bak then she'll show u in her own way.

2. how many options u have

how many girls are currently in ur life? do u pick up girls on a regular basis, do u have plenty of girls to turn to? if yes then u can be more direct with the girl u like because u dont wanna waste time. but if shes pretty much ur only girl, then u wanna be careful not to throw her away otherwise ull be left with nothing. so i guess then u can play it a bit more safe

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Don't EVER TELL a girl that you like her.

Doing so is a great way to destroy any attraction she has for you.

The way you stay out of the friend zone is by sexually escalating using push/pull kino (touching).

Thats what I used to say to women, Ive noticed they respond better with a suggestion rather then questions.

Try "Hey I like you, lets grab a cup of coffee" notice the difference in speech pattern?
your suggesting a cup of coffee. If you suggest they're more likely to say yes and it sounds a lot more confident.
Ive realised if you ask women they're more likely to do something for you just to make you happy, not because they want to.
Still dont understand?
"do you want the last biscuit?"
How about
"here you go you have the last biscuit!"
which one would you appreciate more if somebody had asked you?

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1) Those who doesn't know whats happening
2) Those who watch what happens
3) Those who make it happen

Depends.

If you've spent 2 months getting to know a girl, haven't done any kino, haven't made your intentions clear, and then suddenly you tell her you've had these feelings for her the whole time, then she's unlikely to fall head over heels for you.

However, it's not so much the act of telling her, it's more that you spent 2 months being too much of a pussy to do anything about it. And, the kind of guy that usually does this will probably deliver it "um...so, uh...I, you know, like...really like you?"
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I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND walking up to girls on the street and telling them you saw them and you think they're really cute and you had to come meet them, right off the bat. Or, if you have to go indirect for whatever reason, signalling your sexual interest in them very early on in the interaction.

Why?

(i) Because you immediately screen for girls who are into you, without wasting hours or even days in an interaction.

(ii) You'll never be in the friendzone again

(iii) Women value honesty

(iv) Women love compliments

(v) Confidence is VERY attractive

(vi) The kind of man that is comfortable going up to a woman and telling her she's hot, in the cold light of day, sober, is clearly the kind of guy that knows that talking to women openly and honestly is no big deal. I.E. he's done it many times before, i.e. he has massive amounts of preselection and probably a huge dick and some tantric sex moves that'll drive her crazy.

In conclusion, your buddy is right.

Two further clarifications

My opener is (with a smile and confidently) "Hi! I don't wanna be weird but I saw you walking past and I think you're really cute, so I had to come over and say hi."

That's it, no magic tricks, no negs, no push-pull, no fucking bullshit. Just straight into a conversation. Even if they're busy or engaged or lesbian, they will still smile and thank you for the compliment, and you've sincerely brightened their day. If they are interested, they will continue the interaction with you.

Finally, the "cup of coffee sometime" thing is pretty weak. It's a better idea to have a 5 minute chat and then find out something that she'd be interested in doing, and actually arrange the day 2 (or if she's free, go on a date immediately) then and there. Then you just exchange contact details as a "receipt" for the day 2 you're already going on.

TRY IT!

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As for your openers I like this right-of-the-bat-idea, but if she already knows she won ('cause you said you like her) what's the challenge for her? What's from stopping her to turn you down? You may as well buy a bouqet of roses and go up to that girl and give them to her, there's no difference, is there? You have to qualify yourself and no PUA works like that.
If you neg here, she won't take you seriously, if you kino her all she thinks is 'HE wants to sleep with ME' instead of the other way around 'I want to sleep with HIM'.

Despite my doubts, I will give this a shot. If you have any FR on this, do share.

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Cheers mate

A bouquet of roses is different, because it says "I'm willing to invest £X.XX in you, despite the fact I don't know you at all and you've done nothing to deserve it." Getting a prize when you don't deserve it makes people feel bad inside. Giving the roses thus makes her feel bad for getting something she doesn't deserve, and it also looks like you're trying to buy her affection. It says "I don't know how to talk to girls, so please like me based on this thing I bought."

Giving a girl a compliment is FREE, and it takes 10 seconds of your time. If you say it honestly, with confidence, then she feels she does deserve it and will, more often than not, thank you for it very sincerely, with a big smile. It's a really nice thing to do to someone, even if the interaction doesn't even progress at all.

As for her "winning," you're assuming that the male-female interaction is some kind of struggle where you have to "lower her value" with negs and make her question herself and fuck with her head so that she'll like you. That's bullshit. I don't think I've actively used a "neg" in over a YEAR, and I'm getting laid so much now I can barely fit new dates into my schedule. Sure, don't just sit there agreeing with everything she says - you can still tease her and flirt and be funny, but that's just being naturally sociable and fun, and having an "I don't give a shit" attitude that is very attractive.

Remember, classic Mystery Method was developed in high-end clubs to deal with a very situationally and culturally specific situation - how to get into a normal conversation with a girl who knows she's dressed up and is fucking hot, and is expecting every guy to hit on her. Even there, you can still go direct (I think the only time when direct game simply will not work and you have to go indirect is probably stripper game), but the point is you have to be different from every other guy. Acting like her looks don't matter will help you in that situation.

However, during the day, women are not expecting to be hit on. Thus, you can go up and compliment them, and within a minute you can be right into that normal conversation and be immediately finding stuff out about them, doing a bit of qualification and comfort, and making a real connection. What's interesting is that many girls will be so surprised that they won't know what to say and will walk away rather than seem boring to you. GIRLS HAVE ZERO GAME. Thus, it's the exact opposite of the idea that she's somehow "won." In fact, you've put her in a position where she has to talk to you on totally equal footing (rather than you having to stand at the bar and "impress" her with your DHV routines) and thus she is still in a position of having to impress you with her PERSONALITY.

If she turns you down, guess what? Who gives a shit? You've lost a minute of your time and can move onto a girl who IS interested. In indirect night game, you could spend 30 minutes ploughing before you get rejected.

I'm glad you have an open mind to try this. I promise you, if you get your approach correct and deliver with a smile and confidence, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the positive reactions you get. Then it's just a matter of transitioning and making that connection.

TRY IT!

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I believe the direct approach is worth a try. In worst cases it could only take a minute and when its over at least you have a little more conifdence in how to approach. This is a trial and error world, as far as PUAs go. You will learn from what works and learn more from what doesn't works. I guess im saying that its better to approach as many girl as possible. That way confidece and technique can get stronger.

I remeber in "The Game", when Strauss was just getting started out and still building the guts to approach beautiful women. He saw a genuine 10 in a bookstore and approched her by saying she had the mot addorble Bugs Bunny overbite. To my surprize she responded positive and flirted back. The talked a few minutes and thn Strauss used a time constraint and left the store with the phone number of Play Mate of the year, Dalene Kurtis.

What i am saying is that we should all go up to beautiful women and tell them they have an addoble Bugs Bunny over bite, or just be honest with them from the start.

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I agree with Blondguy. But I'll add my two cents as well:

Women get off on sexual tension. Being "excited" and not being 100% sure what will happen next. When you spill all the beans and show all your cards to a woman.. it MIGHT excite her for a few minutes... but that excitement will follow bordom and even awkwardness later.

Tell a woman that you "like" things ABOUT her.. for example: "I like your style" or "I like your laugh". Drop hints but do more SHOWING than telling. Get her into bed. Take action instead of just running your mouth.

When you say: "I like you" the girl is almost always thinking "so what are you going to do about it?".

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

There's nothing wrong with telling a women you like her, thats what real men do......

Secondly, unless you come off as being gay or the women your talking to is borderline retarded, she knows why your talking to her.

Telling a woman you like her before taking the necessary action rarely works well. Its better to leave some mystery. Like you said.. the girl knows why you are talking to her so there is no need to be so obvious.

Obvious is "boring". Women don't like boring.

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