OK so firstly, thanks SO much everyone for any help provided by this website. It have me the confidence to approach and number close, and score dates with a girl

However i have abit of a dilemma. Tell me your ideas if you have the time - would super appreciate it as always


So on wednesday I went on a date with a girl. We had heaps of fun, she didnt want to leave.
It was pretty intimate, she lay down next to me on grass and we enjoyed each others company for like 6 hours. (I felt certain she liked me)
She then asked if i was free the next day. I was, so I invited her over to my house. She lives an hour and a half away, and came to my house. There was noone else home.
We watched some films etc, and had an AVERAGE time. not as good as wednesday, because i was awkward.

The reason i was awkward was because i realised how much i really liked her between dates. I couldnt even put my arm around her while watching a film in my own house, my heart was beating so fast and I had monster butterflies.
This caused me to make stupid comments and stupid jokes all day, which she laughed at, but would have found immature.
So lets assume it was a "bad" date. Not horrible, but "bad" - I didnt make any sort of move and acted socially insane.

the goodbye was a little bitter, just a "Okay! ill see you later" |
"Yeah see you soon"
and there was no text afterwards.

She started a facebook chat that night with me, and thanked me for today, claiming "She had fun" - but i dont really know if she did, because it just wasnt as "happy" as wednesday.

Firstly, did she like me on wednesday? is there a good chance she did?
Secondly, have i blown it? Or do you think she just might feel sad i didnt make a move but still likes me?
Thirdly, is it OK if i just call her up and literally tell her EXACTLY how i feel? explaining why i didnt make a move etc? how much i like her?

I really do like this girl. Any help/tips/advice/thoughts will really make my day, and hopefully help out my relationship with her
(im 18 shes 16)

and dont worry, I understand what one-itis is - but i still just want to try persevere this time. Think shes worth it.

Thanks heaps




also, ive known this girl for around 1 month now, but only dated her this week.

No, don't text her telling her your feelings! -.-

Look, you slipped up because you didn't have your inner game set on Thursday. She hasn't blown you off, but she may have been left with a bit of disappointment. Believe me, girls will throw you in that pussy category if you don't make the move they expect of you. And by that I'm not referring to kissing her ass, I am referring to giving her that expected kiss so that she knows that you feel the same way about her. She does like you a lot fool, that's why she wanted you to be around her the next day. But relax. 16 year old girls are insecure and don't know what they want. They don't blow you off as easily as older girls or women do. On the next date, just chill your beans and kino escalate with her. When you two sit or something put your arm behind her back on the chair or bench or something and keep it there...then after a while move that arm and play with her hair behind her while pretending as if she's a branch and you're just pulling the leaves off subconsciously. When she notices what you're doing, look deep into her eyes, and keep on gently playing with her hair behind her, just watch the way she reacts. If she maintains the stare, that means she's waiting for the kiss. At this point I would make it fun and say something like, "Close your eyes and imagine something very very sweet such as sugar or...a piece of cake." (say the a piece of cake part in a normal tone to give her that sense of snapping back to reality and making her smile/laugh). Then kiss her on the lips very very gently and quick in a discrete manner and back away slowly as she opens her eyes back up.

She is your experiment, change the variables around and see what you end up with.

tell her ur feelings on a date that's more ballsy they always appreciate it when u tell them in person
Nah bro u didn't blow ur chances u just were too afraid to sexually escalate. u could banged that time when u were both alone in ur house. u just had to change the mood. maybe u could have watched something romantic. see jokes flip the mood from romantic to shallow. u could built some comfort so many things other than watch videos let her give u a massage and do the same for her. pretend that she broke ur back while giving u a massage then she'll rub ur back rub hers and make out lol so many things. an yes she likes you she wouldn't have came all this way. also she told u that she had a good time she didn't want u to feel bad i guess that's another sign of her liking you

Do NOT do this. Sharing your feelings verbally is a luxury that men don't have out of a relationship.

You fucked up on your day 2 because you didn't escalate and at least get a k-close. Next time you need to get in your kino.

You gotta work on Kino then, just ask her if she wants to play thumb war or try and read her palm...once you broke the ice, then putting your hand around her won't be a big deal.

Ib

I dunno about this kino stuff or any of that.

Just stop caring if she likes you or not dude. You need to work on you way more than any of this kino stuff. You don't need planned out ice-breakers and shit, you just gotta start realizing you're the trophy, not her. If she doesn't like you, who gives a shit. Stop doubting yourself. Start talking to someone else.

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hi man!

reading your post really made laugh while thinking back at the feeling you have . ooh man, its a nice feeling. I also remember the frustrations... hehe, but dont worry.
Best advice on the thread so far i think. Really, this is what makes you weak this is what is eating you from the inside. Stop trying to find out if she likes you or not by trying to read signs and bodylanguage and sorts of shit. You cannot figure out what she is thinking, neither can we. From what we read, we think she likes you, we are not sure. there is only one person who really knows and it aint you. I am sorry dudes, but i think this is the worst advice. This man here is in love. He cant get her out of his head! So you are going to let him linger on the fact if she likes him or not, just to fill his head with things he 'has to do on the next date', preoccupying his mind with things that actually dont really matter? So he will be more nervous the next time they meet? BULLSHIT.

Man, if you start thinking about what you should do next, because you think you will blow it if you dont, that will make you so nervous and awkward when she is around you, you are going to do stupid things.

Second best advice IMO.

Dont care what she thinks about you. This is about what you want. If you see an apple on the table, and you want to eat an apple, are you going to get it by pretending its not there? Are you going to get it by pretending you dont want it?

Meet up again with her. Really, after about 10 to 15 minutes, face her, look her in the eyes. Tell her you really like her and you want to be with her. then kiss her. If she likes you back, you will get kissed and you have a lovely evening in front of you.

Ifs he doesnt like you, that is the moment where you will find out. It will sting if she doesnt like you. It will hurt like hell. But at least you will go home relieved, because these icky thoughts of wondering if she likes you or not will be gone.


Also, dont wait till the evening is almost at the end, because to longer you wait, the more nervous you will get. Eventually you might wind up dropping her of at home and blaming yourself for being such a pussy .

This is you choice amigo. You can go dating her, pretending that eventually everything will be ok if you just let it happen 'naturally' or by sneakingly 'doing kino on her'.
Or you can go for the short pain(whether she likes you or not, aside from that fact, rest assure that your heart will be pounding like hell, you will be sweaty and you will be scared, but in the end, whether she likes you or not, you will feel mighty powerful and relieved), proving you are truly a man and at least attempt to go for what you want in life.

Your choice.

ciao[/b]

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Sucker love I always find,
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placebo - every me, every you

I swear some of you need to stop giving advice on here. Fucking giving retarded tips to him. Go learn some more PU shit and use it b4 u tell him to tell his feelings to a girl, what you want him to buy her a box of chocolates too and put a ring on her finger?

very simple, i want him to stop being a pussy and become a man.

You act like 'telling your feelings to a girl (omg!!)' is like breaking one of the 10 commandments.

You, with 'all of your PU experience', should surely be able to see that this dude is in fact in love. There is only one cure for those dangerous butterflies, and that is spitting out the truth. Spitting out what he feels and what he wants. She will either respond adn they live happily ever after or she will reject, which will hurt. But at least our man CreativeRobot will be relieved from all the doubts.

Can you imagine the situation he is in? Can you imagine the feelings? this is actually not pick up related. This is somebody who is in love with a girl.

You with all of your experience should actually be the one telling us that doing pick up with feelings for a girl is a big no-no!! Instead of breaking down peoples comment, perhaps you should share your expertise (you know, the kind of expertise you already wrote a book about) and share with us your knowledge.

because you breaking down opinions and calling tips retarded whilst not giving your own opinion, tells us.... well, shit actually except then the fact that you seem to have a pathetic need to project yourself as a master seducer, which clearly you are not.

So you either have something useful to say to our man CreativeRobot in order to help him, or you find yourself another message board where people do appreciate wannebe alpha nerds.

thank you.

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

LD is partially right. Look, PU is ONE AREA of handling girls. I cannot get girls in school by acting like a PUA from bars and such. What does a PUA stand for? Pick up artist. Do you see anymore words in that? No. All you see is "Pick up artist." That's all pick up artists do, they "pick up". The education of girls/women extends far beyond that, however.

No one is correct in this thread so far. Some of you say to not tell your feelings so you don't fall on your head stupid. Others say to tell your feelings so that you're a man. But I say DROP both all together and show the feelings through ACTIONS.

Only pussies declare their feelings and that's only right in the case when one does not have the luxury of BEING in a relationship with the girl of the time they tell her something like that. However, the other side must be corrected because only pussies don't SHOW their feelings. Notice how I didn't say "tell" instead of "show." Showing your feelings is done through action.

Real men don't tell their feelings, they act them out. If anything, you can allude to liking her by saying something like, "You're a cool girl."

Aah, I do agree with 'showing you like her'. By any means, make her clear you like her and do it in front of her.

However, there is a reason why in this case i prefer telling instead of showing by working on kino and touching. When you work on kino, you subtly start changing the context to a sexual context. Light toughing, like hands and shoulders and so on, do indeed only tell: i like you. Not much wrong with that. I do that with woman friends i have as well. But that in itself does not really convey the feelings of CreativeRobot.

In my opinion, a great way to show that i like you the way that CreativeRobot does would be light touching, look her in the eye, and kiss her. Now that does tell her something.

But turning up the touching (i hate the word kino, it sounds so fake) creates a sexual context. You might show her the wrong message. yeah it might get you laid, if that happens to be what she wants. But chances are big that he will not be in a relationship, that it would only be for one time, and after all, that is what CreativeRobot would want.

While ambiguity is a powerful tool in seduction, it is a destroyer in love. It makes people do stupid things, mostly not in their own favor. Therefor, i dont think that telling your feelings would be stupid or behaving like a pussy.

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

What if the girl isn't on that level yet and then knows that she could easily have him? That's what would happen. What I meant was not through cranking up the kino, but through having good times together. Hanging out and having a good time, making her think about you, then moving on to something more profound.

Aah!! good point!

But suppose she thinks she can easily have you. What would be your greatest concern then? That she would play games with you? Toy with you? That would be my concerns, i have been there before. And you actually already know what i learned from that (and i appreciate that in your comments): people tell the truth with actions, especially in heavily emotional matters.

If she asks you to do stuff for her but she never does anything for you (as example), then deep inside you know that something is wrong. The hard part is admitting that to yourself and do something about it. that is really hard.

On the other hand, i do think you are right with the having good times together. Dont get me wrong, dont step up to a girl, look her in the eye and say: i like you and want to be with you.

If you want a good relationship, the first thing you need (in my opinion) is knowing who you want to spend your life with. Is it a humorous person, adventurous, romantic, etc? Then if you know that, and you meet somebody you find attractive, you need to find out if she truly fits your needs. So you spend time together, have good times, have fun, get to know each other. But eventually, you will need to make clear how you feel, be it with a kiss or by words.

again, this is only what i think, my opinion. I respect your opinion and your comments, because i think your comments do put things in perspective. And also, i think you speak words from things you have done and experienced and not only from things you have read. Eventually, different people experience different things and then you get interesting discussions like these.

ciao!

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

I never bragged once sorry buddy, but i do feel honored you went through writing down that whole thing based on the foundation i put out how good i am at PU. Man i just can't help but amog with my amazingness i guess, it threaten some