youre a chode.

PU teaches people how to work with the underlying attraction thats in humans everywhere.

by being 'high value' your just letting women feel comfortable fucking you

eg. how many women, honestly, have you seen that you'd probably fuck but you know your friends would make fun of you for? she's not attractive in a traditional test.

well PU is like your that woman and your showing the guy that its okay to fuck you because HEY YOURE THE SHIT.

and learning how to handle attraction does take time and a good skillset but i will grant you that a lot of PUA techniques and routines are bullshit.

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and how hard is that

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u can look bummy and still get girls..

value my friend.. pua just teaches u how to manipulate it..

None. What are you in high school or something? Why should peer pressure influence whom I want to fuck? If I am attracted to someone and I want to fuck her I'd fuck her. The issue is getting her to want me.


This is achieved via social proof rather than openers/techniques/shittests.

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wow guys. whoever said this is what 60's all about is correct. I just started reading some of his shit and it is totally spot on with everything I believe. You guys should learn from him.

And for those of you who feel like you are "building attraction," take a look in the mirror. Do you have a nice face and/or are over 5' 11"? Congrats; that's why PU art "works" for you.

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then you havent interpreted 60s work properly. he states that EVERYONE has this and looks only 'increase' your chances and that physical escalation also creates sexual attraction (the stuff you want).

My experiences have made me realise that just because she finds you attractive and over 5 11', you still need a personality and initial attraction aint shit.

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I mostly agree with the OP but not 100%.

Every woman has a "type" she is attracted to just like every guy. So if you are not her "type" you don't have a chance in hell. End of story.

"Type" is not just about looks its also about personality. This is why no matter how much game you have or how good looking you are.. you will STILL get rejected. Either you are her "type" or you are not. Thats it.

The person who said on the first page that "women are not as shallow as men" is way off. Women are MORE shallow than men... just not about the same things.

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Agreed@Da Veed.

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ya i too agree with DaVeed !!!

Although looks does matter but PUA stuff provides you with techniques that work even for the guys that are not that good looking.

For women, a man's worth is not dependent on its looks but his confidence, his social proof, pre-selection, that is his whole personality.
and yes you can count in money in it as it gives confidence to a guy and also work as a very good DHV.

For what the playher man has said, I'm little confused about the "type" thing.

is it true that you will be rejected if you are not her type ??!!

I think that as far as you can elicit attraction, confidence and a good personality combined with a little of manipulation you can bring the girl to her knees.

plz clarify this point !!

The answer to the 'looks matter' discussion is actually quite simple:

1. You think looks matter->improve yourself on them.

2. You don't think looks matter->improve on your inner-self.

(connect this with my previous post in this thread)

Where the 'looks matter' discussion goes into the wrong direction is when Ego is involved: Trying to persuade/manipulate people into your train of thinking.

Which is kinda an insecurity issue: "I must convince people of what I think is right, otherwise it doesn't mean ANYTHING"


Let that shit go, it doesn't serve a purpose.


I wrote about this a while ago

"looks aren't the problem"
looks-arent-the-problem-vt67793.html?highlight=looks

Look at it this way.. if you are not attracted to FAT women... nothing a fat woman does will make you date her. It doesn't matter how well she dresses, how much confidence she has or how great her personality is. You will never sleep with her because you are not attracted to FAT women.

So if a woman is only into Millionaires or guys who are over 6" tall.. no amount of game, clothes, charm, or manipulation will make her fuck you.

On average.. most women and men are not this rigid. But I just want to put it out there than PUA skills don't guarentee you can get ANY woman you want.

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I do go to the gym. I am now quite lean and have a six-pack and people often say I have a great body (when they get the chance to see it, which is basically never because it's hard to see my muscles through my clothes and I just look like a flabby fat-faced guy most of the time).

But face and height are genetic. This is the problem. People value genetics more than acquired attributes. We always will. We want the best babies. This is the law of evolution.

At 5' 10" and a non-ugly face I have not much to complain about. I'm in the "average zone" where knowledge of the game can actually make or break a lay. But after observing your AFC hot 6'2" friends who always get laid, and your confident ugly 5'5" friends who never get laid, you'll start to understand where I'm coming from.

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Men. I do runway, and so I have talked to many good looking guys. That initial phase of attraction that a girl feels when she looks at a guy and thinks he's hot doesn't last unless the guy can demonstrate "alpha" qualities. I have felt attraction for many hot guys- remember, we're talking models here- only to have it go away once I actually got to chat with them.

My ex boyfriend was not good looking, but nevertheless I found him attractive. Why? Because he had a lot of friends (DHV), because he was cocky and witty beyond belief, because he was confident, and because he didn't take any shit from anyone, me being no exception.

Look at Johnny Depp for example- and I mean really look at him. He's not that good looking if you stop to think about it... but have you ever seen him in an interview? He comes off so confident and mysterious, you can't help but find him attractive. Someone mentioned Neil Strauss (Style)... mother nature hasn't been particularly kind to him, and yet...

Anyway, my point is: Good looks =/= Attraction; not the kind that makes her fall head over heels for you anyway.

Look the best you can, and work on your game.


-Roz

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agree with most of what da veed said.

and everything roz said.

i have fucked many women who have told me im not ther usual type or they werent attracted to me at first but the more they got to know me the more they wanted me.

good looks are a good start but they are not everything. many times i have took the girl home when she could have chosen taller, better looking guys cos i had the game. i teased, had fun, i lead the group, i got inside her head (then her knickers).

and one poster hit the nail on the head saying your wallowing in your own limiting beliefs, this stuff works wether you believe it or not! if an angel came down and promised to make me the best looking guy on earth but said they would take away my game, id refuse point blank!

so stop whinging, make the best of what god gave you, read 'magic bullets', practice what you learn in it in field for 3 months, ask for advice on the forums on your sticking points and failures until your game is tight, fuck some hb9/10's and come back and thank us for enriching your life as it has for thousands of men around the world.

or you could just forget you ever heard of pickup and go bk to whatever it is you usually do. its your call.

we are all happy to help, but you have to believe, read some nlp and reprogramme ur brain.

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