some PUA's look gay as hell using PUA material.. Some people look like the Effin man doing it.. it really just depends on ur personality..

dont worry about the small specific side of it, like smiling, negging, blah blah blah... All that is, is techniques to better allow u to mimic the type of personality girls find attractive.. ie. alpha, leader, blah blah blah..

If your just outspoken, and u dont react to sexual tension in a reluctant way.. most of the techniques happen naturally just as part of the normal social interaction...

in other words dont worry, just be urself, and use techniques for ur sticking points till u get them right..

tell me about it, im a black dude and i started with mystery, tried david d, tried 60 yoc and got shitty results. Hook ups at best. (I reccomend reading 60 for escalating the vibe, that shits golden). I then decided to observe rather then listen to gurus and stopped looking at picking up as a chore... then it became obvious

Girls expect black guys to be more direct and easy going... So i started playing towards this stereotype and ive been gaming 10x better then before. I came so close to fucking this 9 last night... argh seriously going to stop drinking

First, I'm going to assume that you're running all over the place overly excited, talking with your hands and probably non stop talking (like a girl) I think you just need to chill, what kind of confident guy do you know that is that needy for attention? (like a girl)

Confident guys have fun and make everyone around them have fun but, they aren't a one man circus. If this sounds like you then I would work more on eye contact and body language then trying to occupy the girl's time the WHOLE time. When I sit, I try to take up as much room as possible legs spread wide, arms on the back of someone else's chair, and leaned back.

If this is not what's happening to you and I completely misread the situation then disregard this post.

When you become secure and confident in your self. This means you have to get over the biggest hump which is seeking acceptance from others, not an easy thing to do for many.
A lot of people here are still learning PUA. And they have not gotten to that point yet to being themselves. At the same time I get the feeling you are doing the same. You seem to strive to be that macho tough looking dude when in reality I bet you are nothing like that. Guys like that tend to be alphas by nature, and a lot of times are naturals when it comes to pick up.

that lardy dar about naturals is a whole nother conversation. You arent born good with woman, you try different things and stick to something once it works. Thats what "naturals" are because of the path their life has taken.
Pua pretty much gives you the chance to have those experiences and develop natural game.. Even if you start scripted, at some point you will need to talking naturally to a women and improvise.

Just my 2 cents.

Awesome. Thats the real problem isnt it. Most people here are playing the role of the stereotypical PUA. That sucks bigtime. And even more awesome you found the real problem in not caring. I wrote a post on it sometime...

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Ok two posts.

Most people dont get this but it seems like you do. I mean, of course we should care or risk becoming ignorant. Only an idiot respects nobody and care about nothing. But only a fool cares about everything and listens to everything people say.

What I do is: I listen to what people tell me regardless of if it is hurting me or not. I gather that information, I insert it into my brain and I come up with my own decision anyway. Maybe the new info was right and I have to adapt, maybe it was wrong. I wont know until I seriously consider it will I.

About trying to be someone else... No it is not true that PUAs try to be someone else. rAFCs try to be someone else. Ok some PUAs too. In the beginning people try to fit into this new role they just discovered. After a while they either go back to what they once were or they linger in a fake personality... or they move on.

I am not trying to change who I am. I am trying to maximize my own potential. To discover my hidden powers (not powers in picking up girls exclusively). To become stronger and stronger. Does that change who I am? Nope, it just supercharges me.

And that is what people do, their behaviour change, their looks may change and they feel more powerful... But inside they are still the same person they have always been. Just with less fear and more confidence.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I would agree to some extent. Sometimes puas do sound gay, especially using the opinion openers with gay body language and a homosexualized smile. However, some of those stuff aren't as manly but they still work well, and would work even better if its been done in a more manly way. As for the smiling, the smile should be an alpha male smile which is not a gay smile like a little girl does when she gets a new barbie, but a smile that you are confident in your skin and enjoying life as it passes by. Over smiling i believe is kind of gay.
James bond is playful, sarcastic, and has a smile when needed, which IS manly, and not gay. All these are stated in pua articles and books.
The point is most people just copy and learn by heart all the techniques and how to be an alpha male, instead of creating their own techniques and BEING an alpha male in their state of mind, without trying to learn and memorize all the gay techniques and lines they learnt.
James bond is the perfect example of a manlies man of man time, and he does all the gay things you said, but with a manly projection.

Mystery does look strange tho, but i would say david deangelo does. Both of them make vaginal fluids drip out of feminine panties while walking through the streets, with or without opening their mouths.