hey guys. what would be good openers on 9/10's walking past in a nightclub? they dont seem to respond to opinion openers soo much for e.g. "hey guys quick question, why does it go downhill after marriage? is it the womans fault? "

do you think thats good opener to use?

my friend said that opinion openers dont really work in clubs because its not high energy enough. is this true.

if so what would be good openers to use?

i was thinking about a passing neg to the hot girls and see if that captures their attention. do you think thats a good idea?

1st off, only use those generic openers as a starting point, because they are...........horrible haha. After some experience you shouldnt need to use them.............unless you get lazy.

Its not working because you DON'T OPEN with them. First off just say hi or watever, this should get them to stop, be polite etc.

THEN you can go into your opener if you want to use it.

Personally, i like to use situational stuff

Is it a really loud night club? If so keep your openers short as possible. Longer openers are good for more quit area like smoking patio. If I spot a set right by me, I just shoulder bump one of the girls and act like I didn't do it. If she doesn't catch it the first time, I do it again.

Pawning sets also works well. Open a set standing next to them, then find something interesting like if someone is wearing a necklace. Comment on it then ask the other group what do they think of it.

Well if it's a loud club where the energy is really high I just dance next to them or somewhere where they can see me and glance at them from time to time. When I notice that they spotted me dancing I walk up to them with a smile on my face and I put my hands out as an invitation to ask them to dance with me.

It doesn't really matter if they are 9/10's or lower. I stopped grading girls because when I used to do that I got really nervous when I label a girl as a 10 and I thought too much about that. Now it's easier for me. I'm like: "No matter how good she looks I'm going to approach her the same way as any other girl."

If it's not too loud and the energy isn't so high than I just open with a simple Hey I'm Ryan and i want to meet you girls because you look very interesting. - That's my opener and than i take it from there.

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There are a few different techniques you can use.

The first thing is to make sure that you are having fun, and in a group and opening sets. You want to make sure that the set of HB9/10s has definitely noticed you, because you're the one who all the girls seem to know, you are having the best time, and they are intrigued about who you are.

From this position, you can do one of three things.

The lowest risk strategy is to merge sets (group theory). Basically you open a set of 6/7s nearby with an opinion opener, and then when you've got them arguing about whatever the hell it is, open the 9/10 group nearby and get them in on the debate. This way the whole thing is very casual and under the radar and thus there is little chance of initial rejection.

The medium risk strategy is to be in-set with the 6/7s, and force an IOI from the 9/10s by catching their eye, smiling, and then winking or raising your glass or tipping your hat, etc. If they smile back (or break eye contact downwards and look back or blush), you can then go in and approach directly. However, if they look away without smiling or frown or turn their back to you, then you probably will not be able to approach. Remember, you're more likely to get an IOI back if you're in a high-value position, i.e. with girls, in the VIP section, on the stage with the DJ, talking with the manager, etc.

The high risk strategy is just to open directly with massive amounts of confidence (body language, tonality, etc.). Again, the higher value you've presented yourself to be before the approach, the more likely this is going to work. Direct game, especially in clubs, is generally a low percentage strategy, but high in reward because if you do stay in-set, it is very much ON.

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