It has come to my attention after being in pua, for 2 years that its all becoming a big cult.

For starters the constant emails I get from various pua's, ross jeffreis, David D, Style, Carlos Xuma, Richard De la ruina etc

The emails I find always seem to big up themselves, what they get, what you're not getting, and how great this knew skill is, followed by either buying their product, or having it for free in exchange for some of your details

Then comes the price of these seminars, extortionate in my opinion, all to fund their international lifestyles, and to have a celebrity fame within pua, if one is passionate then their prices do not need to be so high.

They claim their prices are fair because their teaching guys to get girls something of which is invaluable, I ask you this then, should I charge you 1k+ for a weekend on a fitness camp afterall this is invaluable your health, helping you to get in good health.

Neither is long enough to get you good at girls or get fit/healthy, they just have the advantage of a small market which does not have many competitors in comparison to personal trainers.

Here's my advice don't buy any of their products, you dpn't need so many books ross jeffries is a complete con, just buy the mystery method most honest book out there its all you need.

Its contents can be adapted to any situation, direct game etc will come with experience, you don't need a book to tell you everything, MM shows you what you need to get started, it is the only proper tool book to women.

Get a sarge crew together and just battle forth you will get better, and when you do become successful with women don't let it consume your life, your life should not revolve around women, women should be a complement to your life, NOT YOUR LIFE, and don't bother with NLP complete scam holds no empirical evidence and any NLP practitioner I have met I've just found weird and fake.

If you disagree with the above don't bother disagreeing, this is my opinion based upon my own experiences and knowledge.

IMHO, read all the shit you can then make your own way in pickup you will develop your own personal style instead of trying to mimic someone else 100%, it's all facets of the same diamond what works for them might exactly not work for you, glean the few epiphany's they all have then move on!

However I can not bash their desire for cashing in on a skill they have learned etc etc.

I agree with a lot (pretty much everything) of what you have just said.

However Im not sure Id recommend mystery ! Hes over the top and worse still everybody knows him and knows his material. If your only beginning, the last thing you want or need- is to be called out for using mystery stuff.

Aswell I found a lot of mystery fan boys take the peacocking thing waaay too far.

As much as it kills me to say this, (since most guys Ive met only come to PUA to increase their one night stands) Id recommend 60 years challenge as a good starting point.

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Everything I have just said is related to the UK and some parts of Ireland. Trying it out may make you look like a bumbling twat in your own country. So be careful.

^ I cannot find his stuff anywhere.

Personally I think anyone who pays for these work shops are crazy(unless they have a lot of financial resources)

I read The Game(helped as a good starting point) and I read some David D(and found it helpde a lot).

Did I spend much money? No, but the money I spent was well worth it.

The only money I spend for PUA, is gas, drinks, clothing, food,... anything directly related to going out and meeting women.

The truth is all the books that will get you started can be found for free on the net. The rest is just practice... its just that simple... although it takes time.

NLP is not a scam, Ross Jeffries SS is difficult for someone new to grasp, so many try it, it fails them, and so they assume it will fail everyone. I have some really good books on NLP that helped me realize that anyone can change, and anyone can learn to pick-up women. It gave me the tools to learn how to turn failure into success, simply by looking at the same situation differently.

There's a bigger picture to this and many people are driven by others to only look at one small facet, and often neglect to realize that more than acting like a different person when sarging, the key is to become a different person every second of every day. I am just as content with being blown off by five women as I am with closing one woman.

Fake it until you make it. And as long as you play the game, regardless of one night's outcome... IT IS STILL WIN WIN. But you cannot play the game behind a computer screen, or the closed environment of a seminar!