now im only speaking from my own experiences her but for some weird fuckign reason i get nervous when i approach a set with a canned opener !!!! i thought this was ment to make things easier and get a conversation flowing.

on the other hand natural openers, a simple hello my names xxx , feels me with confidence but then i struggle to continue the conversation.

clearly i have a lot of issues to deal with my own game but i was curious what do you think is better , canned ? or natural ?

feedback is appreciated

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Natural doesn't necessarily have to be direct game.

In fact, I really don't like to start by introducing myself.

The majority of the time I like to use situational openers. Not to say canned openers aren't okay for the more socially inept, I just think they're stupid.

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You could make your own canned openers that fit into a particular situation. This is definitely a lot more organic, and a good midground between both extremes.

Example:

preface: I go to college, girls love coffee and drink it often

Me: Heyyy, how are you (like you've known them forever"
HB: Blah Blah Blah you?
Me: I'm fantastic! Alhough, I'm slightly jealous of your coffee. (uncommon word)
HB: Haha blah blah blah
Me: Yeah, my ex was supposed to bring me coffee but she screwed me this morning! (NLP, DHV)

Just a lack of field practise I think. Newbies will obviously say natural because they havent had the same success as past experience on there own lines yet.

toolegit i think you understand where im coming from exactly. with canned openers i feel like im acting and also i have this feeling that im gona get called out on it constantly which increases my AA which sucks. o and im probably gona steal that opener

gameon so youre backing up canned openers ? i find this strange as ive always viewed being a natural as the pinnacle of what a pua can achieve. to be able to walk straight up to someone withought the security net of a conversation starter

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No Im not backing canned openers as the best way just a way to break out of my shell as a means to deliberately open women, when I dont percieve the natural 'give in to you' attraction which has been my forestay up till now.
Ive been waiting for women to give me IOIs in order to approach them as I dont know any better until now and just saying in my situation at the moment that the advice from experts here to start you off (canned openers) is the best way til I become more confident. Respect

I'm very new to pick up and I like canned openers, I know I've got something to say and what lines the conversation is likely to go down so I'm less likely to flub the introduction. After the opener, I tend to become a bit more natural and just work with whatever she gives me (trying to be cocky/funny), though I like to have a couple of topics there for backup if conversation appears ill fated.

Natural. In the spirit of this, i wouldn't call them "natural" openers however, just more situational and spontaneous. I'm a big fan of situational openers like "oh the coffee here is great, let me guess, you got the Pike Place?" or "Excuse me, I'm trying to meet a friend at the -insert area-.. blah blah". Sometimes though it's tough to think up something to say on the spot:

If you're doing day game, try complimenting something on the girl and then working your way in from there. I know this goes against "the rules" but if it's an article of clothing or an accessory, they've bought that to get noticed. You're not complimenting them on their look, but their style instead. Girls will eat it up, and it's an instant little gratification for them. So they're already more open to talking to you, a stranger, and all you did was say "Is that real Louis Vuitton? (most of the time it's not) Oh that's OK, my sister's best friend picked up an imitation bag in Market too... blah blah blah"

I've found a lot of success with it, and it's minimalist effort to start up a conversation from there.

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I find natural to be the best for me cuz it gives me confidence and energy, like if me and my friends are actually talking about something, and i need someones opinion then i ask a girl, i game them like nothing

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Sorry, but this poll is pointless. All the canned openers emerge from The Game: "Just go and ask who lies more, men or women". These were needed to all that nerds who cannot talk to women and don't know how to start the conversation. They thought of an opener and then they get a feeling "I am prepared" and they start using situational ones when they earn some confidence.
Sometimes I still use canned ones when nothing comes to my mind at the moment but NEVER EVER opinion openers.
BTW, how would you clasify "Hi, we are picking up girls, what's your name?", "Hi, did I hit on you before?" or "I like you and wanted to get to know you. What's your name?"?

Salut!

Surielx.

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what about im gay openers. 3rd section plz