I don't even know why anyone bothers teaching the easy stuff that happens after the attraction stage such as passing shit tests, responding to playful punches on the arm, responding to "you're a jerk" or a playful "wow I'm just going to leave now and go back to my room." That is useless information that I already know, that every man already knows; it runs in our BLOOD.

Once you're getting these things you're clearly in, and only a socially autistic person would fuck it up. The problem is getting there in the first place. This initial attraction is based on facial structure, hairstyle, dressing style, social proof, and apparent confidence.

Routines won't make a girl head over heels over you or even begin attraction. Routines do not generate interest; they can only increase pre-existing interest.

If you've noticed, AFC's trying to become PUA's in the game (including Style) undergo a physical makeover while learning game. They think it's the seduction techniques that make their lives so much more awesome; in fact it is the change of hairstyle and contact lenses. The game goes nowhere with girls who simply don't have interest in you at first impression. PUA is cool in that it effectively gets girls who are already attracted to you. That's all it is, man. And if that subset is very small, you're still in trouble even with all the game in the world.

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Clearly you lack any basic knowledge of Psychology. You're quite right in saying when you first approach a girl, attraction is all based on looks until you start talking. But woman are no where near as shallow as guys. Woman are attracted to high value men. Why do you think lead singers in bands always get the girls? It's because they are a leader of men and that gives them value.

Many, many people make the mistake of walking up to a girl, assuming shes already attracted and they start off trying to build comfort and rapport, that doesn't work. You first need to build attraction by disqualifying yourself as a potential suiter, if the girl is particularly hot, she has "nice guys" coming up to her, buying her drinks and giving her compliments all the time. If you walk up to her, open, neg her and throw in a false disqualifier, you're already showing that your high value and that she needs to work to get your full attention, this is where the attraction grows.

I do agree, as stated in original post, that social proof plays a big role in the initial attraction. But nearly everything else piggybacks on the fact that she is already attracted to you. For example, shit tests. How useful is learning about shit tests if the girl never gives you any shit tests? Pretty useless.

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Even if you truely are a gifted person, which you probably think you are, there still are ways to do it better. I'd honoustly want to see you in-field if you think you can perfectly escalate into every stage, because that would make you a mPUA or natural, who, if you were any of those, wouldn't post this or even be here.

Ever had AA? Then you know how it feels not being able to open and/or know what to say and what helps you to open? A opener routine or some other so called 'trick'. Whatever makes you comfortable doing it. When you learned how to ride a bike, you didn't just 'do it' like if you invented the f-ing thing, you learned it. It could be with the help of your dad, uncle, brother and/or with training wheels. But wouldn't it be the best to learn it from someone who has mastered riding a bike to it's full potential? Like learning how to skate from Obama or Tony Hawk, makes a hell of a difference.

You think it's so damn easy and if you mastered it, yes it is, but someone with 0 experience can't just open, attraction, escalate and f-close some random chick he sees. I bet you needed a little push or some help to overcome your fears, just like everybody else.

Be objective, not subjective.

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Optimistic?

That's funny.

I used to have braces and glasses, yes I was a walking scrapyard, and not too easy to the eyes.

Then I got contacts, lost the braces and changed my haircut.


Nothing happened, I still felt insecure....


Yet, what you describe above as a 'physical change' might help some people, but not most.




It's your self-image that does the trick.


If your self-image relied on you looking ugly, and made self-limiting beliefs because you are ugly.

Then it'll be VERY easy to act like a normal human being when you solve that uglyness.

But not everyone is wired that way. And it doesn't matter.

With enough reference experience about some beliefs (i can be attractive too!), totally new mindsets can be build and self-limiting beliefs destroyed.



This is not a simple matter of being a looker or not

Haha I do not consider myself PUA at all; it's just that I've been reading a lot and trying some stuff in the field and it's clear that most PUA stuff is meant to escalate, not create attraction from nothing. And the thing is, once you have initial attraction based on looks, height, style, confidence, and social proof, you already have your foot in the door. So PUA is not as useful as I thought it was.

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then what are you?

If you aren't a PUA then you're a chode?


You do claim to know everything and whatnot, but when it comes to it you go; " no man, im not one of you anyways, so it's all cool!"

If you don't like pick-up->gtfo of this forum


I'm calling bullshit

You have an interesting point, but it's mired in bullshit.

If a girl isn't attracted to you at first impression, you're not doing it right. You can still pull it off with social proof and the such like, but your body language should say it all...

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Her first impression of you is mostly based on your body language, and not your looks...

If you are a good looking guy and well dressed but acts nervous and is a bit shy, you are not going to give a good 1st impression

If you are not a good looking guy but acts really confident , and is playfull and fun while talking to her, she is going to think you are a fun guy.

Fun does not necessarily mean sexually attractive

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Social Proof has a big part in initial attraction but no matter how many times you say it, you can't just sit here and tell me that looks don't matter at all before interaction. Once a girl knows more about your value and a personality then they replace the look factor.
Good looks simply give you more chances to fuck up before you strike out imo.

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Nothing in pick up applies to all women. There's no such thing as rejection... they're just playing hard to get.

Ya they are. You either don't realize it, or never seen it. But trust me they can easily be as shallow as guys if not more.

Correct.

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Yes.
This is why many agree on 60's style.What he focuses on is,not on creating attraction,but rather on not destroying it.The attraction IS already there most times.

Ugh. Honestly I find this ''women are shallow women are bad women are mean they judge men unfairly they like money they like big dicks they like nice cothes they like men with big cars'' whinning to be ridiculously AFC-ish and almost indicates what a frustrated male chauvinist you are.

Fuck it, I don't look amazing, I don't have amazing hair, I am almost broke usually, I don't wear branded clothes, YET, my confidence & my attitude lands me on the right track with women. Believe me I do not know a single routine well, I can't recall a single pick up line at this exact point of time. I must be some 'epic-fail' guy!

It's time people stop whinning about what THEY think is the problem and get on exact terms with the exact problem. Women are no fairies or emotionless statues, they're just as humane and persuasive and emotional as you are.



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Q: What's the fattest book ever written?
A: The book of men's knowledge about women.

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