When I give advice(not specific to this forum but always) I believe in constructive criticism, my goal is not to challenge somebody's idea or destroy anyone's confidence. It's also to try and understand the other person's perspective.

So do you really mean what you are saying? I am trying to understand what "goals" can be achieved by "dealing drugs, terrorism"?
Here I totally agree. Finally she has to use her best judgement.

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I guess you've never taken revenge on someone. I have, I remember an aquaintance who purposely cock blocked me with a chick. Well when the time came I did something that cause him to lose his side chick and his girlfriend. It was done in such and seeming accidentally innocent way to everyone else. But I knew exactly what i was doing and i knew the end results before i did it and satisfaction i received from it all was great hell it's still funny till this day. That was an internal victory for me. Other it affected got emotionally destroyed but oh well. Not saying I'd seek revenge all the time but it just so happened.....

Selling drugs you can make a living if money is want you want. Only thing is it's against the law. And people your dealing to become hooked on your drug are going to suffer, but that's not the drug dealer's concern for your well being his concern is getting paid.

Terrorism you can for force a country to submit through enough fear, violence and intimidation to get your ideals across. Yes people die but if the terrorist get their political goals across mission accomplished for them.

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Ah yes I see what you mean now, she did say sometimes though..... so I wonder if she's that vicious all the time even after a point of satisfaction is reached she still wants to do more harm if so that's a problem.

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Hobbit,

I completely agree with your previous post. The problem is that, by pursuing vengenance, BsB is actually imprisoning herself in the very paradigm that she seeks to destroy.

We've all been hurt, we all have issues. It isn't always easy to let go, but it is always necessary. Some issues will be with you for the rest of your life--it's both inevitable and unavoidable. I would even go so far as to argue that there are things about ourselves which we cannot alter--we might be able to temper the edges, but whatever it is will always be there in some immutable and essential form. Sometimes the best we can do is simply to accept what we cannot change.

You can't control how other people respond to you, but you can control how you respond to them. If they reject you, it's their loss.

Pursuing vengence in the way that you intend, BsB, will only hurt you further. You're trying to throw yourself into a dynamic that you can't possibly win. You're trying to prove to yourself by setting up a situation that will ineitably reinforce and recreate what you're trying to escape. And, to be brutually honest, why not (on the part of the guys that you're attempting to ensnare, that is)? You're trying to start something based on your own anger, hurt and vengenance. That doesn't create a healthy dynamic, regardless of whatever type of relationship (general use of the term relationship, not a boyfriend-girlfriend thing) you intend to pursue. Relationships (again, general use of the term) based on one or both partner's issues are often chaotic and paralyzing--for every one that actually helps, a good half-dozen or more simply perpetuate and/or worsen the pre-existing issues. Walk away, for your sanity and the desire to leave the past behind if nothing else.

So we're working with a few misunderstandings. This might get long but let's keep it simple:

1. Vengeance.

This is vengeance:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSyDOK42Pq0[/youtube]

Sucking off a scumbag so that his friends will have something to talk about over a 6 pack on Saturday night is NOT vengeance. Our usage of the word 'vengeance' on this thread is blasphemy; even the b actors from those cheesy 80's Kung Fu movies would puke after reading this thread.


2. Transfer of responsibility.

Those guys from BbB's past weren't saints but they weren't terrorists either. They saw a shy, ugly duckling and they treated her like a shy, ugly duckling.

Put it this way, you don't toss a 5lb sirloin steak hat on your head, prance into a lion cage and get pissed off when he bites your head. No . . . you just take the steak off your melon and stay out of the cage. We always live the lives that we deserve.

BbB was the dorky kid and the scumbags were mean to her. You'd think that the solution would be to take her 'dork hat' off and STAY AWAY from the scumbags. But no . . . she grows a pair of tits, discovers make-up, then dances around town like the reigning BJ queen, entertaining those same scumbags so that they can dehumanize her even further.

3. Misunderstanding the 'brag'.

BbB seems OK about the idea that this scumbag will brag to his friends about shooting his load down her throat. In fact, she seems pretty happy about it.

Sorority House Sex Brag: Regardless of what the girl thinks of the guy, or how good or bad the encounter was, she needs to uphold her social position. Thus the more she respects and shares an emotional connection with a guy, the MORE SHE TELLS her friends about the sexual encounter. "Yeah we did it like this and like that. = We had great sex because WE REALLY love each other.”

Fraternity House Sex Brag: Is quite the opposite. Guys share more sex stories of girls they are NOT attached to. If a guy truly digs a girl, he simply disappears from the crowd to spend time with the girl then shows up later on. As he grows more attached to her, he disappears for longer periods, more frequently until one day he announces, “Oh yeah, ______ and I decided to move in together.”

The guys ask, “When?”

“We’ll probably bring her stuff this week.” (He means the his/her towels they bought from Bed/Bath. She actually moved in 1 month ago)

External appearance has something to do with what most girls think of as ‘sexual bragging’ amongst guys. (This is what BbB is shooting for. Those guys are bragging about me because I am hot and I fucked his brains out and he loved it!!! They all want it. Hurray!)

In reality, the better metric to gauge ‘amount of bragging’ is the level of attachment/respect/love he has for the girl. The less he feels, the more he tells. Guys typically won’t tell his friends about the way he sat on a girl’s face and forced her to stick her tongue up his ass when sharing a story about a girl he wishes to date. Stories about the ditzy town whore hold more entertainment value anyways. This also means that habitual 'braggers' are typically net dragger fishermen.

4. The wrong forum

BbB is in the wrong forum. Did any of you read this thread in its entirety? How many members have actually addressed BbB's issues here? "Nooo. . . no way, I wouldn't lie to a girl."..... "Well, no . . . not REALLY lie. Just a white lie.".... "No, I just withhold the truth . . . it's for her really . . . so that SHE doesn't get hurt.".... "OK, I'd lie but chicks do the same so I'm OK . . ."

Hey, YOU ARE ALL in the RIGHT forum. This is a forum to learn PICK UP, not a forum to dissuade easy cum buckets from tossing her lid away. BbB is simply in the wrong forum.

By the way, how many of you wish you knew BbB in real life so you could toss her the fuck and chuck? Really . . . I'd love to hear exactly how you feel about a girl with her history, knowledge base, and her attitude towards sex/relationships. Her face isn't too difficult on the eyes either. I'm guessing most of you won't be honest so I'll be honest for you. Every single one of you would offer her the fuck and chuck because this is the path of least resistance. Easy to pick up, easy to manipulate, easy to chuck . . . and those cute PU slogans will help to ease your conscience as well. "I didn't REALLY lie to her." . . . commands have no truth value right? "Well, I left her BETTER than I found her." The PUA gets his dick wet and saves the World once again!

@BbB . . . You sticking around here is a BIG PART of your problem. You hanging out with LOSERS is a BIG PART of your problem. You know . . . I could train you for 1 hour and get you to win your first MMA fight. The trick is to pick an opponent half your size who's only had 20 minutes of training. The trick in life is to choose the right people.

kasabi,

One thing you missed was that BSB isn't actually doing anything sexual with anyone... She's celibate.

She's trying to use pickup just to get attention from everyone and to use people to her own discretion without any regard for their own goals and desires.

She's trying to get vengeance in the sense that she wants to lead guys on by getting all the attention a hot popular girl would get and, in the end, she'll give him blue balls. When BSB said "sometimes game isn't about sex," she really meant that she wasn't having sex. She's fucking with people instead of fucking them.

So, yes, she's trying to get revenge in some convoluted way (still a bad thing). Even your amazing powers of empathy and BS-radar can be a little off over the internet

I would have thought that you'd be the last member here to nod your head at the generic bs that comes out the mouth of a low self esteemed, inferiority complex stricken chick. I am even more surprised by BbB's swing at the celibacy gig; good for her as it seem she's ahead of the curve. Most space queens I have known wait till' about 31 or so . . . after a few failed marriages, F'd up relationships, rapes, social/professional embarrassments, etc . . . then they announce, "No more."

Who 'announces' celibacy? Who 'announces' restrain from alcohol or drugs? Yeah, it's the addicts. Here's the thing: They all "want to quit" because logically, their history tells them that suicidal behavior screws them over. So the verbal commitment is a great start... but unless physical, social, emotional, and spiritual support systems are in place to guide their new paths toward action, nothing ever changes.

Chief, you meet her at a bar(and I don't just mean BbB but any space queen like her) and she's sucking your knob in less than 3 hours. The guys who aplomb sex would be fingering her at the bar in a an hour or two. And you know the way it works. You tell her, "tell me you like it." and they go, "Uh huh" in that phony girly voice. Really? Does anybody really like sucking on a finger that was up their ass a second ago? Of course, the thing that they are 'really liking' is acceptance. Everything thing else disappears while they are accepted for that moment.

On the other hand, we could send a well adjusted, well spoken kid in there to ask her out for coffee and she'd give him a cold shoulder. I hate stereotyping just as much as anybody else out there but if any of you see any uniqueness in BbB other than a run of the mill kid with inferiority issues, let me know.

Oh and this is a pick up forum so let's go over some pick up pointers for space queens.

1. They go into a bar and all they do is scour the room for action.
2. Any opener works.
3. Go sexual right away. Depending on where they are in the celibate to fuck-all cycle, their verbal replies will vary but they'll stick it out.
4. Interweave DHV stories. These girls don't fuck because they enjoy fucking. They think of fucking as an all day pass to enter the social circle of the guy in front of them. Going sexual only just reminds them of their fucked up sexual history. Going sexual + DHV 'fantasy' stories tells them that her fucked up sexual history must have only been bad luck.
5. And yeah . . . this works on all girls but 'future dates' for girls who've never experienced meaningful long term relationships are lots of fun. We'll go to London, Hong Kong, Laos, etc . . . (And I wouldn't be lying. . .Hey, I really think it would be really, really be fun to go to these cities and party with this space cadet, only . . . it would be more fun to leave them here and party with the models over there so that's the way it rolls.)
6. Then you get whatever the hell you can out of them.
7. Then you share with your friends right away. PM me if you want more but my favorite is the stink bomb. After you play with her ass a bit(make sure you remind her how much she enjoys it) find an unsuspecting buddy who's chatting away and you offer him the upper lip rub. Can't rub it out and everything he drinks/eats for the rest of the night smells like ass! Ha ha . . . even after 10 years, you'll still recall these great times.
8. There is no 8. That's the point.

ill ask 2 serious questions;

1) What does any of the thread have to do with PUA? ill admit i skipped quiet a few posts because so many seemed pretty pointless or not really to do with the question or forum. like what does a girl saying about 'vengeance' and being celibate have to do with a forum about getting laid?

2) what are girls doing on here? like i actually find it hard to believe its actually real girls and not some nerd in a basement on his computer. im being serious but realise im not trying to be sarcastic. im just having trouble wondering why a low self esteem girl is on a forum dedicated to getting laid for GUYS asking about how to flirt with guys without having SEX.

its like asking a murderer somewhere safe and secluded to go.

im not being sexist i really believe guys and girls equal and hi-5 girls i know when they get laid by guys they like. im not being sexist.

im just having trouble understanding any of this apart from "yes or no" to lying to have sex.

now my main man kasabi is getting all deep (I like your posts) but im still confused on it all.

if a girl has got low self esteem and using sex to make friends and acceptance either a) therapist b) a girls website about this stuff or just not a website about GETTING LAID, not that anyones advice is bad but why you'd think "oh lets ask these guys"

seriously im not starting anything, im looking for a real answer.

im also a bit tipsy for the first time in 6 weeks, so sorry if this has come out all wrong. damn you random strangers buying me drinks, I DONT DRINK haha. also i had a good night and i come on here after goodens.

love you all

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Would I lie? Oh yeah. Have I lied? Oh yeah. Will I keep lying? Oh yeah.

It's not my main MO by any means, but if it's a case where she's the kind of skank who's bullshitting me, I'll bullshit her right back. I'll also lie my ass off if the night is nearing its close and I still haven't found a warm, moist place for my penis.

Most common lie: "Damn, you're hot."

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BsB for fucks sake girl its been over a year since you got here and you style haven't tried to work on the one issue that actually matters.

What your talking about isnt revenge. It won't make you happy, not even for 2 seconds. You know what this all is? This is making up more and more shit so that you can justify to yourself that you must going in the right direction your doing so many things. You can run in circles forever and never get to the middle.

Look we tend to get what we focus on. As they say "To a hammer the whole world looks like a nail", your focusing on the assumptions that people are out to get you, and that you want to hurt them before they can hurt you. If your focused on pain and manipulation thats what your going to find most often. Also if your focused on helping, bringing happiness, success etc you will tend to find those things.

Here is a wild idea... instead of trying to figure out how you can con men and hurt them... try finding a guy you actually like, try communicating honestly and try to do nice things. Instead of focusing on making a guy miserable, try focusing on making him happy.

IF you actually do this and don't just pretend to do it with the intention of inflicting some sort of dishonesty or pain, but actually change your intentions to good... you'll be amazed at the difference in your life.

Obviously specific circumstance begets varied opinion and action, but in general I would say that I wouldn't lie to a girl to get her into bed. At least, I haven't as of yet, and I have had several opportunities to do so.

Lying to a girl, or to anyone by any means or in any context, leads to a pretty formulaic series of after effects. The lie expands. The lie becomes more severe. You lie to her, she finds out, shes mad at you, she tells her friends, which makes it more of a challenge for you to get them into bed, and so on.

Sure, if you're in another country and you are sleeping with a girl one time and you lie it probably won't be a big deal. But in most situations it doesn't help you out.

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I corrected it for you


BTW did you even take time to check out the responses to this thread?

You might learn a thing or two, which I guess you're are here for.
There's really no point in being stubborn and sticking to your self-defeating ideas.


Then again, whatever floats your boat...

Actually I thought about it, but then I realized if I had gone, I wouldn't have had the upper hand. Having the upper hand and power, I should be doing the choosing, NOT the one wanting to be chosen. Dealing with him and other losers brought me backwards, not fowards. But eventually when I am patient, I will have better luck with higher quality guys that treat me right.

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Hey... this my kind of chick. You keep your head up strong and on the upper decker and choosing. Go forward and not backward and lucky will be forward. As to you knuckleheads. You so lucky? I bet not. OK, maybe sometimes but I bet that's just luck.