BbB,

You're chasing demons. . . but you already know this. There's nothing particularly right or wrong about this as I'm pretty sure we're all here to resolve issues. Some issues are resolved in a moment. Other issues go on for lifetimes.

Just out of curiosity . . .Were you teased and harassed as a kid? Or were you simply an invisible ugly duckling? . . . What caused you to be so frustrated that you feel you need to be 'loved' by all? The common denominator in most habitual demon chasers is a propensity to rely less on their history/intuitions and rely more on fantasies that only serve to perpetuate existing cycles.

You asked a question but you already know the answer.

1. You're going to suck this guy off.
2. He'll fuck off and move on.
3. You'll wonder why he lied.
4. You'll find another guy to repeat the process.

The answers given by most guys here are driven by the super-ego. They are 'rationalizing' what is right/wrong by how they would like to live and be perceived by others. Typing up a 'nice guy' answer is pretty easy to do when we're not participants in the situation but a harmonious balance is much more difficult to achieve in real life.

I think a poster mentioned that he WOULD LIE, depending on the girl; this is probably how things go in real life. Why would a guy ruin his chances at a long term relationship with a girl he truly digs? Why wouldn't he lie to a girl he doesn't respect in order get a little play? The girl lies, she doesn't respect herself, and she's only seeking to tug guys' hearts to gain a perception of 'power' = This is the perfect target for a fuck and chuck, not so much by malicious intent but rather because most people tend to go with the flow. People see a disgusting, dirty bathroom and they'll most likely make it even dirtier. People see an ultra clean bathroom and they'll most likely clean up after themselves and leave the bathroom just as clean.

Have some pride . . . have some self respect. Difficult to do if all you're doing is using your vagina for your relationship games. You're doing it, why would it be a surprise when guys want to leverage your vagina?

kasabi, your posts never fail to surprise me. Each one of them has something to offer. I have read thousands of posts in this forum from various posters, some of them dating back to 2006, 2007 and 2008. And I can say without a second thought that you are one of the most intelligent men in the forum. Keep enlightening us with your pearls of wisdom.

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Blonde Guy puts up a great reason why you should tell the truth.
Even when you know what the outcome will be.

Honesty.

Yes it gets my vote.

However i have had situations when i was younger where i would have said anything to get laid.
I remember the look on this girls face after i banged her.
It was all scared and worried, she said "You won't tell all your mates or dump me now you have had your way with me."
I did ditch her.

So in the past YES i would lie. And did many times.

Now . The Answer is No.

I like the truth. Its more painfull and fun.

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Its getting Hot out there.

Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

I love it how you can be so spot-on

Why would anyone ever say that they want a relationship when they dont? They are gonna have a big problem, break someones heart and have to lie even more to get out of the situation.

People spend too much energy on lies and to little on selfimprovement. It is an investment. Later on, you will never have to lie!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Your right commands have no truth value. That is not to say they can not be used to hide the truth from someone. I am not saying you out right lied to the girl. But told a white lie so that she won't get hurt by the actual truth.

Isn't reversal game some sort of lie?
Meaning: I want to fuck you tonight/ I like you as my girlfriend/ [...] fuckbuddy/ etc.

Also, girls lie alot too. However I would never lie more then girls do, and about serious things I would absolutely never lie. Lies as a part of playfull flirtness and keeping the playfull vibe alife are ok.
Also I would only realy lie to a girl if I don't want to come off as an afc. Extreme example: imagine a girl asks you where you're looking for (relationships, fuckbuddies, ...). You actualy had enough of all the flirts in your life and your deepest inner self screams and is dying for someone who you can realy love and who love you realy as well, but you answer "I'm looking for fun and I enjoy meeting a lot of new people to enrich my world, but if I meet some realy special girl then I would consider going into a serious relationship with her."

But I see acting not (or at least not overly) interested in a girl while I think she has a great personality and she is a girl I realy like, I see that actualy already as lying. And in fact I think that almost everyone lies with or without knowing as a part of flirting.

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I lived in a city with filthy rich kids. Gowing up, I was middle class and didn't quite fit into the weathy lifestyles of other children. I was harassed at times by kids who were cruel and I couldn't stand up for myself. Each day I struggled living, hoping that one day things would change. One day, someone could help me become this person that had everything, the friends, the guys flirting with them, and the lifestyle that they had. Looking back now, I remember those days where I'd just oberseve kids in my class, and how they'd socialize with others, flirt back and forth and be popular. I yearned for that power, for their look, and their status.

Now that I've changed who I am, guys want me. To have the guy that once ignored me, once made fun of me, want me - it just feels like a powerful thing. But I know he wants sex. His goal with every girl is to fuck them and each girl that he fucks he brags about to his friends as his conquests. And yes Kasabi, I recall before about your explaination of the "fuck and chuck" and have kept it on my mind. But sometimes game isn't about sex, it's about inner game and seeking vengance to those that hurt you. Those that never believed that you were worthy. To change their perception of game and be in control and control their mindset is probably what I'm looking for in the end. Everyone has different goals in game, but sometimes I feel my main goal that I want in the end is to prove everyone wrong. Every person who doubted me, that I could succeed. That I could one day be this powerful person who could control what lies in my hands.


P.S. I did find a hobby that I enjoy doing everyday: hitting the gym

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I personally never would and never have. Its like cheating at a sport to me. I would lose a lot of respect for myself if I had to do that. Plus i know guys who lie to girls on a consistent basis to get what they want, and most of those guys are not class acts what so ever.

this

I can imagine how tough it must have been to endure what you had to go through, and it'r really great that you have changed who you are. But, nothing can justify revenge. It's for the weak and insecure. If you feel secure and fulfilled with what you have and who you are, if you are a strong woman(from your post I am convinced you are strong) then be the greater person and move on. There are better things to spend your time and emotional energy on, the things and people that really matter in your life. Cheers!

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I find some of what you are saying here to be especially unsettling. You are correct that inner game is about pursuing your own goals. Unfortunately, your motivations for improving your game (both inner and outer) all seem to be exteriour. You want vengeance, to prove that you are worthy, to be in control of other people. These are not self-improvement goals. These are other-destruction goals.
And perhaps worst of all "to change their perception of game." One of your goals of learning game is to provide justification for learning game?

Honestly, BsB, this all makes me think that you need a clearer destination in mind. There are plenty of examples of men who have gotten so deep into game that they pursue it for its own sake. That's where your mindset points, in my opinion. "I'm going to get good at game because game is the answer." but I don't think you have really formulated the question. What do you want to achieve FOR YOURSELF by learning this?

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Some vices miss what is right because they are deficient, others because they are excessive, in feelings or in actions, while virtue finds and chooses the mean.
Aristotle, Ethica Nichomachea

Yeah concur.

Inner game has NOTHING to do with seeking revenge and going around proving how much better you are to people. It's about improving yourself for the sake of YOURSELF, regardless of what anybody else thinks or used to think of you. You have a SHIT mental attitude and need to forget about what happened in the past and focus on being as good a person as you can be, radiate positivity from your inner self, and be completely above whatever petty shit these people you think you care about are involved with, because right now you sound immature and pathetic.

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BESIDES, you'll never win EVERYBODY you meet over, you gain some, you lose some.

Stop looking behind, and keep your eyes on the road ahead.

Who drives a car while only looking behind them?

People perceive words like vegeance, lying, cheating, dealing drugs, terrorism etc. to be bad. These things are bad by what society and media tells us. But you can actually achieve your goals through these things. Different mentalities is what it amounts too.

We can tell her its bad all we want she's still going to do what she does. If she does something that causes major consequences its on her.

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