So I say all the time how natural game is the only game. It's a surefire way to be confident in yourself, so ultimately you don't NEED to come to a forum and ask random people for advice, or look up new openers and buy new DVD's.

I see a big problem arising in the community, and it's sad. I remember when I first saw The Annihilation Method with Neil Strauss, and I was blown away! He taught me so much. He even said that style would always work if performed correctly, and you could do it forever.

Now, Strauss opened some kind of online academy for 80 USD a month, and implies that everything he taught and learned before is now useless, and that this new, exclusive material is what's going to get women killing each other over you.

I thought that was low, and that he has changed his goals/morals. But think about how EVERY MPUA does this.

My NEW system proves them all wrong!
My BEST material ever!

When I read The Game for the first time, I got laid more than ever. I was AWESOME. I could kiss a girl almost 100% of the time, and my number closing was flawless. I closed SO many women. Then, I started seeing these ads, ads that made me feel like what I had wasn't good enough, like it was played and inferior (despite my success). I started seeing ALL of these new DVD's by Gambler, Adam Lyons, RSD, VIn DiCarlo. I saw all of them, and all it did was make me overthink, so much that I started to just use natural game.

The point is. If you like using routines, your comfortable with that, leave it alone! Do what works for YOU.

Whether your a natural, a routine, both? Or just doing something that happens to work, don't let ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE tell you you're wrong!

In a way, that's a really horrible thing to do on their part, because they're using the same insecurities that brought you HERE and to PUA material in general to make you feel bad about yourself, and then telling you they'll fix it. How nice of them to fix the insecurity they created.

And yes, many of us are stronger than that, and wouldn't be sucked in, but all it takes is one doubt to spiral into something worse, because we as humans see the bad more than the good.

Be strong, and do what works for you. It doesn't matter what ANYONE says, whether it be here, at home, on a DVD, or in a book. If you found success, keep it.

-Jace

Well those who sell PUA training and products are hardly likely to turn round and say "OK were done, you know enough now so you don't need us".

Remember theres no money to be made gaming girls for sex - only gaming wanna-be PUAs for their cash.

If you read any of the advertising literature for any PUA products you will find loads of "game" techniques to hook punters.

Take note everyone. This thread is a perfect example of self centeredness and unhelpful mental masturbation in the Pick up community.

I kinda had similar experience.I will keep that in mind. Its sad though. Very helpful info. Thanks.

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Surely if something is working very well for you, why would you suddenly decide to completely change to something else unfamiliar?
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If any of us thought are game was good enough... Surely we would stop posting here?

If a person is Good or even Best, it doesn't mean he should stop improving.

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I'm certainly not saying to stop improving! Just don't let anyone tell you what you have isn't good enough !

Nothing will ever be good enough. Perfection is something to chase but never something attained.

The best can still get turned down because women are not an absolute

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This is exactly my point as well. There is nothing so good that can't be improved.

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Asks yourselves, what exactly has this thread taught you/ tried to teach you.

How exactly is this going to shift your behaviour over the next week?

Not to think of irrelevant or pointless things, and try not to think of irrelevant or pointless things.

I suppose we are all looking for something that can be our "natural" game. But given all this material and canned stuff around the community, it seems like a mix n' match. Well, if it works and you're satisfied with it then the case is your's to make. But if people want to have it all and have a larger arsenal of canned material it is up to them. Lol...this thread is quite idealistic.

the more the merrier eh?

The point is, much of the material contradicts itself. Even material released by THE SAME INSTRUCTORS. Yes, the more the better, knowledge is power. But when you have instructors telling you what your doing isn't good enough, eventually, many will start to question their methods. And FYI, anything you learn from a video online, no matter how much you pay or how you get it, will end up on youtube eventually when the instructor finds a new "greatest method" he's ever invented. The best way to excel is to make your own method.