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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:02 am 
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This is always been a pet project of mine. A kind of give back to the community type of project. If there's one thing I'm good at, It's attracting woman by dancing/through the dance floor. The thing is that the dance floor doesn't lie, its all non-verbal. You can't lie to yourself or anybody else because body language becomes the primary mode of communication. This is problematic to some people, but natural to others.

This makes logistical sense. Before written language, verbal communication existed. Before verbal communication came about, man communicated by physical means - ie. body language. If a man liked a woman he would sling her over his shoulder and carry her to the nearest cave. So scientifically, the ability for two humans to communicate on a physical level has existed for millenniums. This is coincidentally the strongest form of communication because it happens on a subconscious, mind ingrained level. If a person is scared, their body will display signs of fright by shaking, dilated pupils, or quivering lips. So it makes sense to translate this scientific knowledge into the realm of picking up women, or more specifically; dancefloor game.

Ideally the shape of the ladder should be remnant of DiCarlo's Kino Escalation Ladder, but I intend to make changes and fine tunes to eventually perfect organize the ladder. The Dancefloor Escalation Ladder is a fine tuned instrument to determine what stage you are and where you have to be before you can kiss your target on the dance floor. This ladder complicates an extraordinarily easy feat by breaking down each leg of the process. This is intended for a gauge where you are in the dance or remind you of what to do next to continue the process. Instinct is the driving force in dance floor game; so utilize it as your primary tool.

As a Disclaimer, I encourage everyone out there to go out and try this to see if it works for you. I am not an expert or an MPUA, and nor do I claim to be so take my information at face value.

The Dancefloor Escalation Ladder

1. Eye Contact and Initial Approach

Eye contact is the first step. It’s use shows social awareness and always decreases the chance of rejection. Start your dance approach shortly after eye contact.

This section of the ladder assumes that you have started dancing with the girl in the basic grinding position, her ass up against your pelvis. It is important not to escalate to quick or too slow through the ladder. It should flow naturally.

2. Incidental Class 1

The first class of incidental kino involves arms and hands. Placing your hands on her shoulders, your hands on her hips, or your hands on her thighs are the only examples of Incidental Class 1.

3. Overt Class 1

The first class of overt kino involves the same components of incidental class 1, the arms and hands, but uses these in a deliberate manner. You are not masking your intentions, but rather making them apparent and sexual in nature.

Overt Class 1 Examples:

*Moving your hands around her body. (Feeling her body starting from the shoulders down to her thighs and back up again)

*Rubbing/Caressing her thighs (It’s important to note that if a girl has a dress on, this step comes a lot later in the process because it lifts her dress up and makes you come off as a creep)

*Passing your hands over her butt and having your hands on the inside of her thighs

4. Incidental Class 2

The second class of incidental kino involves her hair: brushing her hair out of your face and to one side of her back, a common occurrence on the dance floor. You will constantly backtrack to this to achieve Overt Class 3.

5. Overt Class 2

The second class of overt kino involves hand in hand compliance. Sometimes this will happen naturally while you’re dancing with a girl. This invokes a feeling of togetherness for a woman and allows the man to ramp himself up the escalation ladder. This is one of the most important steps of the ladder because it allows a man to separate himself from the rest and take advantage of her compliance.

Overt Class 2 Examples:

* Clap her hands together to the beat of a song, or to the positive announcement from the DJ. For more advanced compliance take your hands off her and clap your own hands, if she continues to clap her hands than you can assume a strong level of compliance.

* Give her hand a squeeze. Note if she squeezes your hand back.

* Guide her hands around your neck or into your hair, or even onto your thighs or butt.

** The last step in Overt Class 2 is placing her hands in the air, let go of her hand and see if her hands attempt to cling to yours. I have YET to find a girl who has not kissed me after passing this test. You’re creating a minuet space between your hands and hers, sometimes her fingers will linger in my hands as I attempt to let go. If her hands are in yours at the end of the test you can successfully move into higher steps.

6. Overt Class 3

There is no Incidental Class 3 kino, but it is important to note that the manner in which kino is delivered in overt class 3, is very direct. It is meant to prepare her for kissing and should be done in a slow and gentle way (unless you establish yourself in a dominant dance situation - which by all means display your aggression). Fulfilling any of the Overt Class 3 examples allows you to go for the kiss with minimal rejection. It is possible to skip these and go for the kiss but it can feel forced and out of place for the girl, increasing your chances at rejection. It is important to backtrack to this step if you have already kissed the girl because it can lead to a higher sexual buying temperature.

Overt Class 3 Examples:

* Bite/suck on her neck. Use Incidental Class 2 kino to brush her hair out of the way if it isn’t already and start on her neck.

*Look over the girls shoulder as to observe her field of vision. Most girls will look to you, in which case initiate strong sexual eye contact.

*Guide her hands to your crotch. This can be done in a gradual way or just straight to it based on personal preference and calibration. At this stage of the ladder you should already be calibrated to the girl’s reactions.

7. Kissing

Don’t come diving in lips first from three feet away. Ideally you should already be in a suitable position for kissing before you try. If you have overt class 3 kino taken care of, you’re probably in the right spot. You can even skip Overt Class 3 completely and go straight for the kiss if you’re feeling a positive vibe.

A technique for building sexual tension – move closely in with your head over her shoulder, slowly as if you might kiss her, and then move away and continue dancing. This will build the tension and she will wonder when you’re going to actually kiss her.

Another great technique for initiating the kiss is to take her arms and throw them over your head like in Overt Class 2 kino. This pins your bodies together and forces the girl to look up into you.

A technique to initiate kissing – when your head is placed over her shoulder, try placing your finger just underneath her chin and making eye contact, pulling her mouth towards yours. Kissing should be light and short at first. You should be the one to pull away first. Don’t use tongue unless the girl starts it first. If she doesn’t, tongue play should be gradual and progressive.

All the previous kissing techniques were what to do when you are behind the girl, when you are dancing face to face with a girl, another compliance test is involved which stands to complicate the process if it is not eased into. When dancing face to face, she has to feel comfortable with you grabbing her butt before you can kiss her. It is very rare that a girl has a problem with this but occasionally a girls values will block you from achieving this, making closing from face to face on the dance floor a challenge.

8. Isolate

This is a step that I have frequently forgotten, and have paid deeply each and every time I forget this step. After you finish kissing the girl, it is important to isolate her off the floor and continue a conversation with her/make out session if you hope to get anything else out of the ordeal. Walk her over to the bar or outside to the smoking session for a drink/fresh air respectively. This will allow you to either A) Backtrack and pickup her number or B) Continue the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder and aim for more than a kiss. You can either verbally confirm the isolation by asking her if she wants to take a break/get something to drink or by physically grabbing her hand and telling her that it’s time for a break. Either way isolating a girl off the dance floor and away from her friends is not an easy feat to achieve without the proper level of investment from the girl which is one of the reasons I advocate isolation after the kiss where she already has a vested interest in you.

Dancefloor Game Reading Material

I don't have intentions of transforming this topic into a Dance Floor Techniques thread. There are tons of great reading/visual aids out there on the internet. Below are some of the best sources for Dance Floor Game on the internet.

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http://www.youtube.com/user/flirt2thebeat
http://www.theattractionforums.com/gene ... ction.html

I also run my own blog where Dancefloor game is often brought up and discussed by me. I am far from a leading scholar on Dancefloor game but it's my personal input nevertheless.
http://themanwhore.tumblr.com/

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Thank ya bro for the good reading ;)


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OK I actually read through some of this.

I'm still drunk, but, I don't agree with a lot of it - for instance, it seems to depend to some extent on the 'basic grinding' starting position.

I would never start in this position. I think it's seedy, beta, and downright retarded. Any guy who starts here is only showing that:

a) he is seedy
b) he is the same as all the other chodes
c) he can't dance
d) he only wants sex
e) he's a twat.

However there's a lot of great points in here, and it's a great idea too. Cheers man!!


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I'd have to agree with R.G. NEVER EVER EVER just start grinding up on a girl from behind, it's a total chode move. Approach from the front and get eye contact, then you can get a read on the girl. Maybe take her hand and twirl her, then move your hands to her hips. After this approach it's fine to transition to "basic grinding", but please don't sneak up from behind. Makes me nauseous every time I see this and fails most of the time.

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I'm pretty good at day game, but I suck at dancefloor or club game. The moment I start dancing with a girl I do great, bit I find it almost impossible to approach a girl on the dancefloor.

I used to be pretty good though. There was a bar where I regularly went in an other town. I knew there a lot of people. I was still on high school then, and the other people were around my age: 16-18.
By having fun with other (female) friends on the dancefloor, I was always in this flow, and being very energetic. That way, and by some wild female friends/winggirls and danced with me and who gave me rep, I got social value on the dancefloor. Girls were looking at me. It was very easy to approach girls on the dancelfoor then and start dancing with them; it all happened naturaly.

But now? I'm in a new town where I still don't know a lot of people, and most people (like girls) I know don't live in town so they can't go out. And most girls are still shy on the dancefloor. So I can only bring up a few mates. But those mates won't do it. Most guys don't have the same energy levels or dance skills as I do. It is almost impossible for me now to approach girls to dance on the dancefloor, especialy now 70% of the girls are taller than me, and as I am 18 and they're around 20-21 I look way younger than them.

About which situation are you talking about? When you do this stuff are you then in a bar where you have social value? Aren't looks important?

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I don't agree with a lot of it - for instance, it seems to depend to some extent on the 'basic grinding' starting position.

I would never start in this position. I think it's seedy, beta, and downright retarded. Any guy who starts here is only showing that:

a) he is seedy
b) he is the same as all the other chodes
c) he can't dance
d) he only wants sex
e) he's a twat.
It really depends on your style of dance floor game. Ideally you should approach from the front and spin the girl with a twirl. I'm in a college bar, 18+ and granted this style of dancing may not be used everywhere, it is a big style of dancing near college campuses across north America. Sometimes being too different has the potential to be a bad thing, I'm always mixing my dance floor approach up but what seems to have the largest success rate (sadly) is the grab and grind. I don't understand why, but it's important to separate yourself from the context of what everyone else is doing without being the laughingstock of the club. It shouldn't be a chore/job for the girl, it should be a fun experience, she should be smiling and laughing as you make a joke.

Dancing skill is objective. I can't tell you beyond basic hip movements what makes one girl better at grinding than another, you just know it through experience. Granted straight grinding is repetitive and boring, your not going to go anywhere unless you mix it up. It AMAZES me what girls know about in their proximity. You might seem like your just grabbing and grinding, but the girl has an idea of who she's dancing with before she even turns around.

There is a reason I put isolation at the end of the ladder, because it allows you to show more depth to yourself as a person and escalate it to sex. Girls want sex JUST as much as guys. I also mix between adding verbals and non-verbals while dancing to add to the immersion experience.

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About which situation are you talking about? When you do this stuff are you then in a bar where you have social value? Aren't looks important?
Granted when I go out I usually bring a few girls to the bar with me. I have two-three girls that I go with whenever I go, and when my guy friends feel like going out I bring the boys out. I always enjoy having my boys out over the girls because we can push each other and provide a home base for each other if we get rejected. But social value is one of those things that can be easily generated. Hang near the bar and start a conversation with a few people. It's important to note the size of the club and the number of people. The place I go to is a small place packed with people. Most people won't see your social value unless your directly in front of them. Believe it or not you can become friendly with a group of girls by just dancing solo with them. The whole experience is what you make out of it, if you keep a positive vibe and don't become dead weight on the dance floor than you will definatley find women to share that vibe with. But looks are important, just look your best, clean yourself up, and you won't be able to blame your failures on your looks.

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NEVER EVER EVER just start grinding up on a girl from behind, it's a total chode move. Approach from the front and get eye contact, then you can get a read on the girl. Maybe take her hand and twirl her, then move your hands to her hips. After this approach it's fine to transition to "basic grinding", but please don't sneak up from behind. Makes me nauseous every time I see this and fails most of the time.
Again this falls to personal preference and the SPAM of the club. I've been to an asian club once with reserved girls, and the grab and grind would NEVER work. Me and my friend got shut down so quick we had to quickly change our tactics. Interesting thing is if a guy asks the girl to dance, or attempts to initiate from the front he seems to get shot down more than a guy who approaches from behind. It's an interesting thing I've observed because most girls don't know what to do if you mix up the status quo straight from the start. It's about understanding what you can and cannot do. If your with your female friends dancing on the floor and your in plain sight, by all means find a girl who looks like shes giving you ioi's or meets your "standard to dance with" and start grinding with her. Just don't approach from a MILE away just to grab the girl from behind and grind. Unless your looks are insane, this won't work. This just re-enforces my point that women have a proximity zone that you need to be in for grabbing and grinding to work effectively.

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Grinding is very american. Its a culture thing, area dependent. Here in israel girls are very aware to themselves and to the grinding, and there is a 99.9% chance that youll get a "WTF/Fuck off" respond.
When I was in florida few years ago, it looked like what all people were doing is grinding.

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