Oki I had an university party this today and I decided to practice the things I have being reading. It was a small party for foreign students. The university is a engineering university so we have few girls and many are Indian or Chinese which is kind of bad since I´m latin. There was this HB7.5 from Romania and her friend they were dancing and so on, I have already talked and seen this girl before, but haver never seen the other one. Man I´m no dancer still the only way to learn is practice so... Oki I started to dance with this Romanian girl and she enjoyed it, don´t ask me the name of the musics cause I really don't know it. It was all right until by some reason I simply ignore her friend became damm upset and was being the dominant cow. I have no idea why but the girl was the whole time checking the Romanian girl, like she didn´t want her friend with me. I tried to wing with another guy asking for him to take the damm other girl away but I had no luck on this. Concerning my dance I think it was okay, despite of the pauses to drink the girl danced like 90% of the night with me, so it was very physical, the ones which have already partied in Germany know what I mean. I tried to hold her hands and place her for a kiss with no luck, I kissed her many times on the neck and all the times I tried to KClose her on the face she swinged the head off, I really tried to get to the end once but the chasing went a little bit awkward so I gave up of that for some time. I dont know romanian but from time to time the cow came saying some shit like wtf are you doing dancing with this same guy the whole night. I dont know what a hell did I do wrong I need some cultural output from you on this.

I also tried another woman which gave me a very good conversation but by no reason gave me a shit test saying she was married well she really had the ring but only god knows, I got sort of no answer, she said her husband is some shit as a PhD and Im a fucked up student with no money. So I cut up her asap she said she had a husband and asked if she wanted to dance, she asked for 5 minutes but than things we nt awkward 2 dudes had a fight she was there and saw all I expent the rest of the night talking with one of the guys who fought I dont speak Russian so I have no idea what was that all about. Eventually when crossing by her and another girl they asked me some shit, like what was the name of my city in my home country or some shit like that which I negged saying hey Ive already told you this so many times cant you remember anything? Give me your hand I will write it down, which they declined laughing.
By the end of the party we went as a group to the dorms and I walked the Romanian girl home more to be sure no fucker would somehow get her in the way home, as there were 2 or 3 trying to start a chat with her, I walked holding her waist and hand talking some bullshit about how she could save a lot of money by stopping to smoke and buy things, including a great gift for me for psicologicaly supporting her on the stop effort, I also said some bullshit as she should find another addiction in which she agreed, I think she trowed a shit test complaining about my hair saying it could be better and I said I would shave it (I really want to do it, I do it like once a mont or so) and she said she had once shaved the head of a friend so I asked if her friend still have the ears and she said yes so I prompted if she could help me on this and she said "oki" I got her phone number
but when I was saying bye to the others she did not waited for a "special" good night and said a big bye to all and walked into the dorm with another of the girls.
Oki this is already enormous so some questions:
*How big did I messed up on the married girl stuff?
*SHould I phone the romanian one?
*Does it get awkwards after the failed kiss to phone her?
And I accept suggestions and advices about the overal situation. Specially for this romanian girl I can get some learning from her
Oki thanks a lot.

With the first girl from what I can see it looked you gave to much she knew you wanted her so she was in control and coul pull you along which she did. Dont give her that benefit you should have purposely left her and opened our sets dont show to much interest or she is on to you!

Man as Ive said there were no other sets the party was really small

So...act like it's not the first and only party you've been to. So what if they're the only girls at the party there is plenty more down the street at the bar. You made yourself WAY to available and while she may have let you dance with her and kiss her on the neck the fact that she wouldn't let you k-close shows she was just using you to DHV herself. It's discussed on MANY of the boards here that the best way into the set is to approach and get approval from the friends FIRST which you obviously didn't do.
As far as the married girl goes I, myself, usually call the game off when that pops out. But if it doesn't concern you then I'd go into some BF destroyers and steer the conversation away from anything having to do with her relationship. You did a good job and abandoned the girl so I don't think you did to bad, sometimes you gotta know when to ditch.
I'm not sure if it will be akward to kiss this Romania girl every situation is different. Sometimes a girl can just be playing hard to get other times she's not interested, it will be up to you to find out. Honestly, to me, it doesn't sound like you played the game very well and I'm not trying to be an ass. You showed constant interest the entire night by dancing with her all night, attempting to kiss her, offering your phone # (which she resisted), holding her waste (kino is good but that much attention they have to earn). As far as cat/string goes she had she chasing the entire night. I'm not saying this is complete failure you got the #, nor am I saying you can't come back from this your just going to have to be a complete different person and flip this on her. I would say YES call her and try it out. If you get a day 2 make her earn your attention and get her chasing you, if she doesn't cut your loses and find a new target.

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"Why do we fall, sir? So that we might better learn to pick ourselves up."

Oki, so what does this mean in a further scenario? Should I just drop off?
Man I have never seen the cow before, and she was simply in bad mood complaining to all the guys who approached her, I even knew the cow was so friend of the girl. This girl had other 4 or 5 friends I know and all of them welcomed me very well we shit chatted and so on so I don´t think this was the entire point of the mistake.
Oki perfect we have a point in common.
Oki this is sure no oneitis Im just practicing so the result will be good anyway for me, I danced with other girls as possible, but as Ive said chinese and indian have some cultural barriers I tried to dance with the cow and she said she was not feeling good and kept bitching, I tried the married woman and was taken down. By the way I danced even with the other guys what for an ex-shy person as me was very hard but I have been working on it. So I make this my "defense statement".
I see this girl very often at university I can maybe don´t call and prompt her to some shit personally monday not sure which approach is better.

Thanks a lot for the big reply and feed back.

When I read this I knew it wasn't the type of neg you need to use but couldn't remember why. I pulled this from "Mystery Method" book and I think it applies in that smoking is logicaly a bad habit.

Not sure what drop off means but divide your attention elsewhere, like your friends or something making her EARN your attention. Remember you already opened the set and you can come back to it at anytime. If you can't play nice and make the "cow" except you then your going to have issues with her blocking you and raising your targets BS. As for walking with her with your arm around her waste after already being rejected in your initial # close she would have had to show me some attention just to get me to walk her home and ALOT more attention to put my arms around her. I would have lightly Kino'd on the walk and depending on how she responded would depend on how I reacted. If she responded well I'd raise the level a little but pull away and make her come close to me and progress it from there. If she didn't respond or walked like she didn't care less I would have pulled away.

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"Why do we fall, sir? So that we might better learn to pick ourselves up."

I will take this in mind.
I just mocked her on it, no serious discussion about cigars and the meaning of life
Small list points:

• Drop off means give up forget about.
• I will re-read my post but getting the number was no deal so I don´t follow your problem on the #close
• I got a bunch of other things to do as I´ve said I´m discussing the practice the result will come eventually no oneitis here.

Thanks again for the reply.

I wasn't saying you did bad for the # close but getting the k-close or more is going to take some push/pull on your part. Just trying to tell you what I would have done differently.

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"Why do we fall, sir? So that we might better learn to pick ourselves up."

Oki so I went to another party today more os less the same shit...

So Im reading the books and practicing almost daily, I´m living in Germany where kissing is not so normal in parties. Still I got an average of 1/5 KClosings which is decent in this lands. Today I was dancing with this Spanish girl whit a good amount of Kino and so on. But I´m having problems on closing. We danced and I had her rubbing all over me and I got my hands on her belly legs, bug all I wanted (this is absolutely no big deal in Germany). In a given moment the party was over and before I could get my jacket and orbiter which also speaks spanish got to her and embraced her. I got no big clues about the bullshits he was saying but she was not paying much attention so according to the diagrams on the book from mystery I moved to her side and negged her with something like:
"If you cook like you dance you need to find a good restaurant."
She came to me and sort of forgot the orbiter and explained that not only she dances very well but cooks even better and she was "sad" Ive said that. In that moment in order to came to talk to me she dropped the orbiter and came closer. So I said her:"Oh I apologize come here and give me a peace hug"
So she came and I hugged her and got again my position holding her waist. Still the orbiter didn´t go away, so we were in front of her house and the fucking orbiter making mention to go home with her. Which she simply discarded but still before that get really awkward I said to the orbiter hey as we go in the same direction to the dorms follow me. Which he did. Still I haven´t had the moment to kclose her I have an open set. I haven´t asked for her number as I find it mostly pointless I don´t like to phone and I´m a cheap bastard I got no money for calling this girls- I´m from south america and there it is quite easy to kclose. In europe I´m having some problems, basically problems to isolate I´m not from the "official crew" of the groups if I try to isolate the girl people will notice so she backfires, I will try more the "may I kiss you?" routine described in the mistery method but I really think it won´t work for me. Today I really feel I lost a kclosed because of the orbiter. So I wonder should I in a given moment of the dance simply try to drive the girl to a better spot or it sound also rush and would break my chances?
Thanks a lot for reading and free feel to ask for more input Wink

Edit: I just realized I broke the golden rule of keep talking hile driving her home oh well dammm. Still I had the orbiter so I need help with the keep talking and the orbiter