Why is alcohol and drug use so verboten in the pickup community? I understand how they may hurt peoples' skills, certainly. I understand how, in the case of the latter, they're illegal and in the case of both your body will be destroyed from excessive use. Still, you'd think that any time someone mentions being high or drunk they'd just said they fucked their sister based off of how aghast guys are at such an idea. I get that a guy might become dependent on them to be able to approach or be assertive in closing, and that's fucked up. Still, that point conceded and agreed upon, what the hell is the big deal? I look at other messageboards and see threads insta-locked if someone does so much as mention drugs.

Alcohol erodes my skills depending on how drunk I am, most definitely. Once I pass the happy buzz stage it's straight Tucker Max time and any trim I pull will be through dickhead charm. Dickhead charm is indefinable so I can't really describe it.

Crazy shit like shrooms, acid, 2CI, and the like make it hard to even get it up so no gaming goes on there.

Weed actually improves my game. "Yeah right Art," you say. "You're just high and think you're doing better." Nope. Time slowing down and becoming painfully aware of everything coming out of my mouth and what's happening around me (thanks, paranoia!) become assets but the effects on you may vary.

Sobriety is, frankly, a bore especially in places where pickup skills would be practiced most.

I can't really do drugs anymore since I'm in the Army now, but the point on booze stands (so the sober game's gotten a good workout). Must we treat these people like they've done something terribly wrong?

EDIT: Something that occurred to me after I posted...

Is it part of the little AFC living inside all of us that doesn't want to be like the boorish dickhead that used to get all the women? Do we simply associate those substances with those personalities and eschew them because we don't want to be "that guy?"

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i can totally agree with you personally i think it goes to show what your attracted to in a girl.. a guy who does cocaine isn't going to be closing any smart, high class girl but the drug addict types will be attracted to him like my dad told me if your surrounded by cologne everyone will want a piece of you but if your surround by low class pple only the lowest of the low will surround you.

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I'm glad you posted that because this is another part of the pickup community that confuses me: the idea that only low-class people do this stuff. If you objectively look at society, the people at the top are tanked constantly. I don't mean tabloid kings and queens (they're all hot messes obviously), I mean CEOs and politicians and the like.

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Drinking is only a problem if you NEED it in order to have confidence to approach, or you consistently drink so much that it affects your game negatively. I see nothing wrong with having a few drinks when you're out doing night game, hell the point is to be going out and having fun in the first place!

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There's negativity around it because it is possible to have as much fun and good game sober. But, possible =/= likely. The way I see it, rockstars are always on something. Alcohol thus far has always improved my game, and weed only helps after a few drinks and NOT TOO MUCH! I remember having 2 hard ciders and taking 1 good bong rip (I usually don't smoke unless its real chill because I tend to space out), I'd never been to this house before and only knew 2 people but I was dominating. Talking about movies, cracking jokes everywhere, I don't think it was "godmode" but it was close. The goal of anyone hoping to game is to have fun, these things help pick you up off the ground called life. You find pleasure in little things you may have found stupid or uninspiring when you were sober. If there were an easy way to get in that "feel-good" pocket sober whenever we want, there wouldn't be a discussion. But I do agree, the indignation over mentioning alcohol has gotten old.

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sorry about that i don't mean low class in regards to someones wealth but the quality of a persons character

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I have to give credit to blondguy. That is the way I see it. Too many times have I heard a guy tell me "I need a drink" before we game. You serious!!! Omg. Its just talking to girls. Do you really need substances altering your mind body chemical to be effective with women? That is sad. I mean, if that is the only way you can get some action, bottoms up! But if you are confident enough, then stay sober and enjoy the gaming. I guess the negative attitude towards drugs in regards to gaming comes from the idea that a beginner may become dependant on it to gaming. But what happens when you find a worthwhile TGT and there are no drugs anywhere to be found. You would be screwed because you should not NEED drugs to game a girl.
I swear on one thing. I have had my fair share of alcohol and weed (i also get paranoid with weed and I am in the Army as well so I cant do it anymore). But one thing that I noticed is that gaming is itself a drug. I swear that there is nothing more intoxicating than when you are having success with a woman that you are gaming. I get a thrill out of it. There is this exhiliration inside my head where I say to myself "man im good!" Her smiles, giggles, IOIs and her compliance are all things I love. That is how I get intoxicated, not by drinking or smoking (or worse). And I have done some pretty adventurous sh*t in my life like skydiving, ATV racing, scuba diving--and still nothing compares to making a girl glow when you are around her.
Just my opinion LOL....

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