Hey guys,

I'm very new to this, as you can probably guess by this being my first post, so I could do with some advice about what happened to me last night.

I've only been out sarging abou 8 or 9 times and have been amazed at how succesful I have been, i.e. good response from girl, lots of number closes and a few k closes (compared to before when nothing would happen this really is amazing for me!). So I was out i a club last night and I was getting a fair bit of attention from girls, so I guess this made me feel quite confident. I saw a hb10 dancing and she smile and waved at me from across the club (she was in a kind of out of the way place off of the dance floor) so I went over and started talking to her. To my suprise, everything went really well and we talk and danced and joked around for about 4 hours. The only wierd thing was whenever I went to try kiss her she looked away, it was ok, not awkward or anything.

I feel I should reitterate here that I am really new to this and so I could hardly believe I was getting on so well with a hb10; I dont think I had previously even spoken with a girl this hot for more than about a minute! So at the end of the night, she asked me if I have a girlfriend. I dont and said so. Then I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she looked all guilty and said she did (hence the lack of kising im guessing).

So my question is what are you supposed to do is this situation. Are you supposed to act cool like it doesnt really bother you cos there are load of other girls you could go for? If so I fucked up massively! This was because I really liked this girl ALOT so when she said she had a boyfriend I was so disapointed that she could read it all over my face. It was like a kick in the balls! She said she was sorry and was I angry that she didnt say this before etc, and I said it was cool, thought she could clearly tell I thought otherwise. She said we should be friend and I told that probably would be so much fun for me. But we exchanged numbers and I left...

So what should I have done when she told me about the bf? Is the situation salvigable? Btw, her bf lives in a different continent and will do for 5 years...

Thanks guys

Tell her it's all good cause you have a gf

first of all, never ask a girl if she has a bf. if she isnt telling you, then it doesnt matter.

at this point, go ahead and run game on her as if she doesnt have a bf. her bf lives out of the country, so she will get lonely real quick. and its only a matter of time before she caves. just dont mention anything about the bf, and if she mentions anything then just change the subject. the girl pretty clearly is interested in you, so it wont take much effort.

same thing kind of happened to me with a hb 9. I was really demonstrating an alpha male personality and I could tell this girl would have had sex with me that night. But when we were getting closer, she likes theres something i should tell you and you might get mad. "i have a boyfriend". And I did the best thing possible and I said, "who said i was interested!?" in a joking way. So i said we can still hang out just as friends, i think your pretty cool but its on one condition. You gotta put in the good word for some of your friends ( i saw the girls she came with). So this hb 9 is kind of offlimits, but I fucked her hb 9 friend a few days ago. Attractive girls come in packs. Use this girl. She likes you, only has good things to say. And one key thing to think about is that maybe the thought of her seeing you with her friends and her bf in another continent, she will get jealous, and may just put her self out there for you (your game will need to be very high to break a bf), but if u play your cards right, it can definitely happen. and if not, you just fuck her friends and use her to get them, and develop a new social circle with this hb 10... and her hb 10 friends. catch what i am saying??

This. If she is telling you, you have to address.

If you want to sleep with her, girls who have bf's are more apt to sleep with guys who have gf's since they are in the same situation....

Thanks for the replies. She asked me if I had a gf first, so I said no assuming she didnt have a bf. I think I probably should have just acted like i didnt really care, whilst also pointing out she could have told me earlier (i.e. not after 3 hours of hanging out and dancing).

I dont really like the idea of trying to get a girl with a bf to sleep with me, so I don't think i'd feel comfortable pretending I had a gf to try make this happen. On the other hand, if the girl was making it clear she wanted to cheat on her bf, then I think I would be ok with that, as their relationship clearly isnt working out if she wants to do this. I dont think this girl wanted really wanted to cheat on her bf, since there was no kissing, but I'm not really sure. Maybe I will think differently about this eventually, I dont know. This is was the first time I'd been in this situation.

I should probably have said I'd be cool being friends, cos I did really like her (i mean not just in a I want to fuck you way) and if other girls saw me hanging out with a hb10 then I guess thats a dhv right? Ah well, i'm pretty sure I've fucked it up now! You live and learn i guess.

There are only two possibilities here:

1. She has a boyfriend like I had a girlfriend in junior high school who lived in Niagara Falls. (She doesn't have a boyfriend) Some girls are just afraid to admit that they are alone . . . To her, telling you that she was single could have been like telling you, "Yes I am single, lonely, and horny. Please fuck me now."

2. She has a boyfriend but wanted to fuck you. It doesn't matter how well their relationship is going. If you don't f close, she will tell you that it's all good. If you f close, she will tell you that it's been shaky but they're trying to patch shit up.

Kissing or not kissing is not all all important. You diving in for kisses several times but her STICKING AROUND for the cat and mouse game is what you should have been thinking about. A girl who DOES NOT want to fool around might have humored you for a few more minutes but would have fucked off after the first attempt. Instead, she just stuck around allowing herself to get more horny with every pass. I'm taking even bets that her panties were sopping wet by the end of the night.

Here's why you f'd up:
This was your orgasm. You already had your fun. You stopped working.

For every kiss effort that she refused, you should have followed up with a less intimidating display of affection, then escalated towards another pass. (Perhaps you did this but from what you wrote, I'm getting a sense that you bs'd, waited a while and just took another shot at sticking your tongue down her throat) As long as she's sticking around, you just keep at it and keep working. A girl doesn't ask, "Do you have a girlfriend," if she's not interested in you sexually. If she's not interested, she doesn't even bother sticking around.

You've got her number . . . you definitely have another shot but you'll have to start from scratch. No talks about relationships, boyfriends, girlfriends. Only FUN, FUN, FUN. Take her out, chat, take a do-over as if nothing all happened the last time. Don't 'orgasm' so quickly next time! LOL . . .

Haha, yeah, I will try keep my orgasms in check! I dont think the fact that this girl was the hottest girl i'd spent time with was, in its self, a problem, as it was going really well so I felt really relaxed and happy; I thought it was in the bag. I think this was the problem: when she told me she had a boyfriend, my world switched from "omg im gonna get with a hb10 omg omg OMG!" to "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!" in a split second, and it was very obvious to her that I felt pretty crushed.

I tried to kiss her maybe 5 times. I couldn't have escalated anymore after each kiss, as I pretty sure I had already escalated as much as possible: dancing (intimate and grinding), hand hold, stroking, hair smelling, sitting together, kiss on cheek. What else is there other than kissing? This is why I think she was just playing with me. Maybe lonely so wanted some attention, but still wasnt prepared to cheat, even as far a kissing on the mouth.

We had a little text exchange: I sent one a few days ago which got no reply, then another 2 days later, and still no reply. Surely I have to leave it at that, or else I 'll just be all needy and creepy?

Actually, your probably right, I could have escalated a bit more, in terms of frequency and intensity of touching, but not that much, as I think I was pretty full on.

No, you're not being needy or creepy. You're simply continuing to shove her into a tight spot. Whether it's true or not, she told you that she had a boyfriend. Now if she simply accepts an 'f close proposal', she's a two timing whore. This is her 'pickle'.

So you don't text/call her as if you two had something going or as if you expect anything. As I wrote earlier, you start from scratch. Invite her to social events where male and female friends will attend. Do this a few times if you need to. She'll go for it sooner or later.. When you're there, introduce everyone as if you're just simple acquaintances. Then begin the 1 on 1 process all over again.

You're far ahead of this game than you think.

I like your ideas about pick up Kasabi.

I replied to a post from you, but O just noticed that it is from a few months ago. I don't like hijacking a thread like this, but how else would I get you to give your thoughts about my reply :p

As I can not post links I can only say the topic name and author. It's How to be a Better Conversationalist by sharplin, tnx

I think this question could fit in here especially as im still learning.

If a girl has a boyfriend and you know of it but she hasnt told you she has one in any discussion you have had with her. Should you still go fo rit? Surely she would have told you she had a boyfriend if she was totally not interested.

So in essence, should you ask her to see whether she would lie to you if so, go for it, or should you just totally not ask her and act as if she doesnt have one?

Many Thanks.

Everything is up to you. This is what makes life fun. You wake up in the morning, walk out the door, and it's YOUR CHOICE whether you go left or right. Thus the consequences of your action are of course, your responsibility.

#1. What exactly is a boyfriend/girlfriend? There is a commonly understood meaning to these terms and of course many different interpretations. It's up to you how you choose to define it.

#2. Anybody who defines these terms 'liberally' will gain from it and also lose from it. Choose a girl who defines these terms liberally and she will also define these terms liberally with you. People of course evolve through time. However, people seldom make personal character shifts.