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A Major problem with this supposed idea that Kasabi has put forth is that this idea of being traditional cannot be proven or unproven bc...
Nothing in PU can really be "proven".
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It blames the man or women for being a poor quality person.
I am annoyed that this idea is put forth at all bc back in the day I was the rite guy for girl x and she was rite for me she thought. I in fact did send her flowers. Why did it not work out between us. Bc I did not know how to create attraction or tension had no confidence, etc, things I have learned here.
"Poor quality" was not what I had in mind. What I wrote is that these types are the WRONG PEOPLE to partake in the traditional, open, honest, and friendly communication process. And you're right with your example. For whatever reason, you probably DID NOT KNOW how to create attraction.
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But looking from the communities standpoint this idea is more hurtful than helpful to the PUA community. It allows guys to instead develop themselves to just say in an AFC Fashion she just wasnt the right girl for me, and even more AFC enables a man to say "She doesn't know what she's missing" acting like its her fault that she's not attracted to that guy, not bc he's a pussy or the thousand other reasons men fail soo hard with women.
The idea behind my thread isn't to promote flowers and 'traditional values' alone. I was merely trying to shine some light on reasons how the flower route doesn't work and how this route still has its place in pick up.
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This idea is trying to use logic in that best people go with best and down the line. The fundamental problem with attraction is that it is not based in the logical mind. 2 people dont just say to each I think your a quality person and the other person agrees and gives them their hand.
You are correct that attraction is not logic based but you are wrong that the flower route is a "logical method". Take a look at young girls who get excited over movies where gentlemen give girls flowers and sweep them off of their feet. Girls do not get excited for the logic behind the film. They get excited because these scenes trigger emotions. Somewhere between these pure emotions and their experiences through life, some girls lose excitement for "traditional verbal displays of affection".
The cliche' in the pick up community is that these girls do not respond to traditional displays of affection because they've been hit on by these traditional methods often enough for them to be 'immune' to it. I disagree. Displays of affection alone aren't significant enough to change psychological response no matter how often or how many times girls are subjected to it.
More likely, it's the physical and emotional realities and consequences that have been associated with displays of affection that fuck people over. Abusive people hardly ever go on a rampage without shifting their positions through displays of affection. They might punch, rape, scream, and yell but quickly after almost ALWAYS tell their victims, "You know I love you right? I'm sorry . . . I'll neeeeever do it again. You're my sweetie pie." etc . . . They do this as a defensive mechanism. They do this to assure to themselves that they can't possibly be animals. If abusive fuckheads did not do this, most of their victims would leave right away. It's the duality of their personalities that keep their victims right where they are. It's ice cream one moment, a punch in the face on another. Horny guys lurking for BJ's basically do the same thing.
Go find a well adjusted girl with a healthy family history and show up with flowers.
This doesn't mean that girls who do not respond to flowers are 'bad people' or undesirable. You just need to trigger their emotions through other methods.
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