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Thanks for sharing. This would be a very important thread to show someone just starting out and looking to get into the PUA mindframe. Bookmarked

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I saw this on Digg a couple days ago and really enjoyed it, glad to see it on here.

Great stuff!!

good staff.

Some feedback on this guide.

POST 1.

I'm going to have to emphasise this.

NO. JUST NO. YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE THE BASEMENT DWELLING PIZZA FREAK WHO "THINKS" HE'S A ROCKSTAR! BEING THE FURNITURE SALESMAN WHO KNOWS HE'S A FURNITURE SALESMAN IS BETTER THAN THIS FUCKING MORON!

POST 2. - Really? Looks don't matter? I'm skeptical. Source: http://www.facelab.org/

POST 3-4-5-6 - All very well in theory. But any examples on how someone could apply all this?

POST 8- Any evidence to substantiate these claims about women and social ability? And for the love of god, what exactly IS an alpha male??

If it someone PUA's look up to and try to emulate then I could understand it, but then again, "a guy PUA's look to be like is always surrounded by girls" is a tautology, its self explanatory.

POST 10-11 - So your saying a pre-requisite for getting laid is having interesting activities? Not buying it. Psychopaths as a fantastic example have incredibly bad attention spans and are very faddish, as a result they find it difficult to make any big achievements in life or have any consistent hobby outside of criminality. Why does this matter? Sexual promiscuity is another very common trait among psychopaths.
Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath ... _Checklist


POST 12- Does anyone know of any real mass consensus of women discussing why they throw "shit tests"? I'm not arguing against there percieved existence, I just wonder if it really is like PUA's tell it.



More coming.

Fin - this is meant to be taken with a pinch of salt, no need to over analyse I don't even know who wrote them - but generally they are good bits of information. Also - I believe the author was intending some of this to be sarcastic such as: I will pick up on one point you make tho, just because its really large and caught my attention The way I look at this is you need to be confident with things you are good at. It isn't any good be a "good" XYZ - be the BEST XYZ.
I think a lot of it is HOW you pull it off as well - if you act like your a rockstar you have to be able to pull it off. This is where many of the "inner game wins" topics fall short in the same sense of the chicken and the egg scenario. Which came first - the outer game or the inner game? The point I am making is - I don't walk down the road acting or thinking I could take any guy who passes me in the street in a fight as I know that I can't, I do however walk down the street knowing I look damn good and can adapt to nearly any social situation with ease and influence people. I guess the point should have been clarified to state "be confident in your strengths".

Right, since I have started typing (I knew I should have just ignored you ) lets continue.

Post 2: Looks don't matter in the same way money doesn't matter. For the majority, these will not be an issue because the majority of people are in a situation where these factors are not limiting.
Most guys who apply decent grooming and personal hygiene along with a nice outfit will be OK looking - I am not saying they will be hot, but they won't be so hideously unattractive you cannot bare to look at them. Obviously, their are exceptions and some people are unfortunate and are deformed in a server way but still this only limits the potential of partners. Some women will still be sexually interested in you - the key point is the sum of all your qualities must be above the minimum level for a woman to find you attractive without any individual quality being so low it is a instant no.

POST 3-6: No fin, no examples as this ISN'T A DETAILED TOPIC - its the basics

POST 8 - again, not a detailed topic. I think it is pretty easy for anyone who doesn't study psychology (and is therefore unable to simply make rough judgements on social situations) to outline what an alpha male is (the high-school jock - CEO of your company etc). Now obvious the setting of the alpha male will change due to situation but lets just go WITH THE BASICS for the point of this post. Again, just from life experience guys with attractive women with them tend to be better with women - maybe its just because they hang around with them lots so know how to act through practise, the point is - you know this is true but you are just being awkward

POST 10-11: It isn't a pre-requisite but it helps. People who don't do anything generally aren't very interesting - they don't have interesting stories to tell etc. As for Psychopaths - having lots of short term things they have done leads to a lot of stories to tell and interesting life experiences, very useful for attracting short term partners but no so great when things get a deeper. However, I am not a psychology major and therefore don't know enough about psychopaths to comment further.

POST 12: Maybe not - its a hypothesis that fits rather well. It can't be proved otherwise and in most cases holds true to what we are able to perceive. It is like looking at acceleration equations in physics - at 17 you probably would ignore things like air resistance as it overcomplicated the problem and just using the simple equations make it easy to understand and generally usable unless you are doing something really precise. The difference is, in the social world things don't need to be really precise - you can tell a bad joke and brush it off or laugh at an inappropriate time, with rocket science you make a bad calculation and poor old Neil Armstrong is stuck on a never ending cruise to nowhere

And on a final note: PLEASE NO

The problem here is that we are not discussing be confident in your strengths, instead we're talking about "be confident".

If you're the un-employed pizza freak from Moms basement then you have nothing to be proud of, (unless you're the un-employed pizza freak who gets laid now and again). Acceptance is key, if you want people to improve they have to accept their life and see it for what it is. Don't convince these guys that they are Rockstars

How many rockstars think "Man I need to get a job and turn my sorry ass life around"?

That's exactly what basement dwelling pizza freak should be thinking if basement dwelling pizza freak wants to turn his basement dwelling pizza eating life around!

Don't get me wrong this ^^ is alot more honest, but you're kidding yourself if you think you wont get laid based on being "just a pretty face"

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Leadership: Decide on a meet up for her. "First we are going to X and do YZ becuase you'll love F and then we can chill and have a lovely afternoon sitting in G doing L, sound good?"

Little touches to these guides that get the ball rolling are always appreciated, you and I may know what we are talking about when we say "lead people" but.. how long have we both been doing this?
Honestly, I don't know its the truth, I see way to many examples to the contrary and far to few in favour.

There seems to be no criteria for your -or PUs- definition of "alpha male" outside of "guys who RAWK!"

Sometimes its the social behaviour of XYZ, then its the position and traits of ABC. I honestly think that we're making up this alpha male hero as we go along and its not really doing us many favours.
Largely their ability to be charming and intense eye contact along with abandonment of normal social procedures and anxieties (wait to be introduced, don't make a pass so early on in the night etc) tends to allow them to do well.

As a general rule their background is rarely a colorful one of mixed experiences as you might think.

Alot of stuff fits with what we percieve, racists perceive "thieving niggers" and guys on this forum are able to percieve "stupid sluts" on a daily basis. Perception is miles away from objectivity, do you know the amount of processing and configuring information from your senses goes through before it enters your brain?

I'm just thinking there is a better explanation out their than.

"Oh noes they R going to Tests our seductionz"

I don't even remotly understand why a girl enamoured and trying to get a guy would do something so stupid to jepardize her chances with him, most girls once when they like you are pretty much butter in your hands.
I'm afraid our mutual growth will hurt still!

I think you guys are over complicating things

I find it really odd that you interpret the fact that psychopaths are "promiscuous" as the same as "they are good at picking up women". They are not the same thing. They are probably promiscuous because they can't forge any real connections to one single woman, so they can't be monogamous. And few women want to be monogamous with them since they soon uncover how deeply troubled they are. So, promiscuity probably has a lot more to do with being shitty at relationships than being good at randomly picking up women. Not to mention that you don't need to be good at pickup to be promiscuous (can just screw prostitutes or super ugly, gross girls).

Also, of course you need to be an interesting person to be a good PUA. Just stop for one second and think about two of the greatest PUAs ever: Mystery and Style. Style was a writer for Rolling Stones magazine and frequently interviewed hung out with celebrities. Mystery was a magician and stand up comedian. They wouldn't have been successful in picking up women had they not already been more interesting than your average joe truck driver.

Psychopaths are known to be very charming and sexually alluring. Yes, their short attention span, lack of empathy and Glibness makes it very hard for them to hold onto any long term relations, but that doesn't stop them from having plenty of short term relations.

Psychopaths have charm, sexual presence, confidence and sexual drive. Pretty much the four things you need to be a decent PUA. They also frequently combine this with egotistical braggery and self flattery. Nothing a Psychopath enjoys more than an ego massage.

As a result...

Hiring and fucking a prostitutes or un-attractive women isn't normally an attractive proposition to your average psychopath because he/she won't get to have the personal ego boost that comes with picking up a stranger.

They tend to make fantastic PUA's when it comes to getting laid. It's just such a pity they frequently lack the traits of well functioning human beings.

Brah: Entertainingly you do realise Mystery Method was marketed as a plan to get Joe Truck Driver laid?

Of course. Why would you market it towards anyone else? There's infinite more money to be made when marketing towards the getting Joe Truck Driver laid than getting an interesting person laid. Marketing != reality, and it doesn't change the fact that if your "best self" that PUA helps you exhibit is boring and uninteresting, your chances of getting an HB9-10 are going to plummet.

and your whole analysis of psychopaths is a ridiculous generalization. sure it applies to some of them, but not to most of them. a lot of psychopaths frequent prostitutes. a lot are not charming. it's a much truer generalization to say that women who spend a lot of time with them are more likely to discover they are a psychopath and leave them. And anyway, the main point is that promiscuity != PUA. You don't have to be particularly good at picking up girls or talking to them to be promiscuous.

God, we're going off topic. On the one hand your saying Mystery and Style got where they were because they were interesting, when in truth they advocated that they were where they were becuase they had come up with a formula that lets almost anyone seduce women! LOL

So does PU work for anyone or for JUST "interesting" people? Note that I put interesting in quote marks there!

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You do realise there is a whole plethora of PUA guys who ignore this whole "show your interesting side" don't you?

What interesting personalities are the PUA's who suck face and pull girls on dance floors rarely saying a single sentance outside of "come home with me!"?
On the contrary I've provided a link that provides information that psychopathic personalities feature in diagnosis; charm, lack of certain emotional abilities -social anxiety being one of them-, high sex drive, sexual allure due to intense eye contact and an egotistical and pretentious self image. Google "psychopathic personality" for yourself, you'll see these traits feature along side deviant criminality, externalised blame, short attention span and high stimulus thresh-hold as standard signs that a person is in possession of a psychopathic personality.

As far as girls "discovering" a person is a psychopath... .. its estimated 1 in 10 people in U.S -not sure what the U.K. figures are- have some form of psychopathic personality.

It's not a case that you spend two weeks in a relationship with a psychopaths and suddenly find she has a notebook full of rants about how much she loves torture hidden under her bed, and an unidentified severed hand in the sock drawer!

That's an incredibly innaccurate -and quite cruel- stereotype.

Psychopathic =/= All Out Bat shit crazy.

I'd suggest you go read The Game again. Style talks at length how he finds it bizarre that otherwise super interesting people with everything going for them still cannot talk to women. He uses himself as an example, how he has so much going for him, but was never once able to talk to women.
You can deny it all you want, but look at the facts. The best MPUs in the world don't work at Wendys and play world of warcraft 7 nights a week with no other hobbies (like I already said, Style wrote for a music magazine and hung out with celebrities, while Mystery was a freaking magician and comedian). Good PUAs are already at least somewhat interesting people even when you take away all the PUA junk. You can learn all the openers, canned routines, and kino escalation you want, and that's great, but at some point you're going to have to actually have conversation and let your personality and life experiences shine through.

You've provided more evidence against your position.... Well done. Tell me, what interesting life story did AFC Adam have when he was fucking his way around London.

Nothing, except that he went to clubs, picked up girls, flirted with them and fucked them.