I don't agree with that.

You can have whatever mindset you want, a girl can be a model and so full of herself that she acts bitchy. In this situation the neg is the easiest way to disarm her.

Lots of guys who don't like negs mistake a neg for a insult. A neg is just like you were to give a compliment, but got it wrong. Example:
When you say "nice nails... are they real?" you meant to compliment her nails, but you thought it was fake and said that by accident with a in your face.
Then apologize with "they look nice anyway".

She'll feel a little bit self-conscious and will not treat you like "OMG! You're crap!".

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'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

I agree with Reo , negs do work ( but not all people need to use it in their game , depending on the amount of value you have)

Case study : - A really hot girl I know has been seeing this guy for 3 years , We were talking about pick up lines that worked and she told me that her current boyfriend called her hot and really attractive . If it wasnt for the fact that she was extremely insecure about the way she looks it wouldn't of worked ( trust me she use to be soooooooooooo insecure)

How this relates to negs is by when a girl assumes ( she may not be ) that she is higher value than you and she has the meta frame that "evey guy is talking to me because they want to fxck me " and you come along and bam " wow I love what your wearing , Im pretty sure my nan has the same outfit though "

Shes going to feel insecure about the way she looks her meta frame has just been changed by this one guy ( omg i look like pig shit ) and for many a reason, due to her insecurity it makes it easier for you to game her as she is now seeking validation and approval because of the way she feels . ( i wouldn't call this attraction though , I would call this evil .... but evil works )

maybe not the best examples but the theory's there

Why would you go for a girl that thinks the world owes her something in the first place?

It's bullshit, also notice I'm talking about improving YOURSELF not win other people over, there are always rotten apples out there, do you eat rotten apples? Hell no, you leave em to rot.

I think it all boils down to what Swinggcat says of being the prize. You can do the same a neg does with frames, by framing you're the prize.

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

Dude, go out and actually try that shit out before trying to disagree with me.

theory is just theory. We can go all day discussing what MAY or MAY NOT work, but at the end of the day we haven't talked to any girls and FOUND out what did and what did not.

But whatever, you want to go on about theory

here's my experience, if the girl already thinks she's hot shit and what not, do you REALLY think that one guy telling her she looks like his grandmother is going to crush her badly?

Fat chance she's just going to slap you in the face for being rude and not appealing to her.


p.s.

Stop being a KJ.





On topic:

If negs work for you, that's great (but please be hard on yourself what you call SUCCESS, i've seen guys going all IM A MPOO AH BECAUSE I GET NUMBERS FLAWLESSLY) but neg theory isn't something I would recommend ANYONE.

It's the most useless tactic out there, see afore mentioned points to why.

I have done , pay attention to your thread , I wouldn't dream about misleading people with irrelevant advice unless I have tested stuff out myself. Its just some people need theory behind it to understand why it works

I have done it a few times and it has worked in favor for me but i gradually changed that to busting her balls instead.
Not the best example admittedly but yes , its about frame control and this is one of the simplest ways to do it . Every girl and I mean Every girl is self conscious in some sort of way

actually scratch that Everyone male and female is self conscious of themselves in some sort of way

Either way Using negs I believe works for guys that are low value and brings the girl down to their level , you've just got to master it so you don't end up pissing someone off.

In the end a neg is like using your face instead of a hammer to punch a nail in . Its going to work and get the job done but a hammer is so much better and less painfull .

The guy was talking about very hot girls, like the Victorian Secret model type of girls, and most of them do have an attitude, that's just general knowledge. Do you call Victoria Secret models rotten apples?
You are basicly saying that you only game girls then who don't have an attitude. That excludes then a lot of hot girls.


Btw, it is never said that negs work on every girl. It's actualy designed for use against high confidence hb8,5+, who are more likely to have fake hair, fake nails, wear a lot of make up and who have a high bitch shield.
There are also more innocent "classic" negs. For example "You're nose wiggles when you laugh. Hey laugh again! Aww it looks so cute " is something even non-puas/players use naturaly. Compare it with the more cheesy "you look so cute when you're mad". The neg "you have beautiful eyes ... Can I touch them?/ Especialy the left one ", can be mistaken for tongue and cheeck romance followed by absurd humour.
I also believe that in case of some women with attitude, you may neg them. You can be alfa as hell and feel better then any women, but as long as she still feels higher above you, you still may want to tear that super self esteem a bit down. So I disagree with you that negs are only for guys who think they are less than women.

Altough I agree with most "neg theory defenders" here (everything I wanted to say is already said by them), I do understand your point of view. I don't neg often anymore because they didn't always worked. But to my opinion that's merely because I didn't do the negging right. I just tease them now, like Zappo calls it "ball busting". For me negging became a synonym for teasing.
I'm curious now, what would you do instead? You might want to dissagree with the neg theory, but because this is a forum and people are here to learn and to put on new experiences, you should also tell how you would tease otherwise.
Or don't you tease at all? Then you could tell us how you game girls without teasing them.

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Do negs work? YES
Do they work better than other methods? NO

Negs I believe should only be used by a person who is green. It prolly wont get him laid but it will give him the experience of watching girls react to him in ways he's never experienced.
I am no fan of negs but they have been fun to use on women BUT
they have to be thrown on the right girl, Even on alpha girls it blew the set up, her friends laugh she gets pissed.
In another one I isolated the girl in 30 seconds from her 2 friends with body langauge gave her a huge compliment with a neg and it worked fine, but her friends wanting to save her here the line and tell her and convince her its a pickup line, and a horrible pickup line at that.

I believe negs should be for fun just to see what happens when your out doing rejection nite or you really dont care about a lay. If u want a lay stay off the negs, escpecially the younger crowd bc the younger the girl the less a neg is going to work (20 and under I would not suggest negs bc value is not actualized fro a women yet.

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Guys,


we're getting off-track.


All I see are people defending negs because they do work etc, etc, etc.

Which I don't disagree with.

The essence of this thread and the main goal:

Negs shouldn't be used because of their band-aid like nature. You think a female has a higher value than you->you neg them->her value lowers.

Doesn't anybody see what's wrong with that?

PROTIP: it has something to do with a mindset.

Negs shouldn't be used because of their band-aid like nature. You think a female has a higher value than you->you neg them->her value lowers.

Exactly you put her pussy on a pedestal by doing that.
I like to go in thinking shes putting me on a pedestal and with the mindset that Ive already fucked this girl.
Kind of hard to look needy doing that.

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Bingo! You win.

I go the opposite direction of negs and RAISE the chicks value. Why in the world would anyone want to lower a chicks value? Do they not respect themselves enough to feel they deserve a high value chick?

I have standards and dont want a low value girl...so why lower her value? A real man raises the girls value.

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I don't see it this way. I think it's more like: a female acts very arogant->you neg them->her arogance drops.

Or: a female puts up a big bitch shield->you neg them->bitch shield drops.

As a guy, we don't see other guys who are very arogant as more vallue, right? (I see it as low vallue). So why would we think of an arogant girl as more vallue?

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Bingo Da Veed,

thanks alot


+1

That has never happened to me. I've seen similar things happen when I used to teach guys opinion openers, though.

I have been rejected in a harsh way like that before, though, but that was only because I negged her. We were already flirting and physically escalating but we somehow ended up in a neg war lol

Introducing yourself with your name and a handshake is polite and shows confidence. It is the best way to open.

inb4 "u didnt neg the right way"

Sorry I found this thread so late, apparently there are a lot of young padawans in need of guidance here.

First of all, great post Vaj or Jav or Vajina or whatever your name is, I'm glad you brought it up.

Second of all, there is never any need to neg, let me explain:
Someone used the metaphor of fighting or boxing, well in this case if you neg, you are the coward who would kick a bigger guy in the balls just to get a head start instead of practicing moves and exercise your physique to win the fight for real. There was a time when I was young and stupid and I thought negging was a great idea, teasing and being cocky is however useful sometimes, but learn the difference!

A neg is a quick fix, a way to prove for a couple of seconds that you are unafraid and you dare to tell a hot and popular girl something that no other guy dared to tell her, this is why you get attention when you neg.

However, this is only a quick fix, it works like a drug, to keep her attention this way you have to keep negging her, and you can't just use the same level of negging, because she would get used to it (just like any type of drug) so you have to become more blunt and your negs must sound really mean after a while, if you carry on long enough you will eventually insult and maybe even hurt the poor girl, and what do you think your chances are to score then?

But most likely, since you choose to neg in the first place you are really a clueless coward and you won't follow through with it and the result of your negging will be the following: You will get her attention, you will feel like the man and brag on the forum, you will get her phone number, she will never go out with you, and even if she did, she won't touch you, she will regret it and never go out with you again, end of story!

Here is what you really do, don't neg you shy little pussy!

If you are not man enough for the fight, buck the fuck up!
Believe in yourself, you are the man! Start believing you are the man, put your beliefs in to practice in your every interaction and practice practice practice!
This is not a quick fix, this will take a little longer, but the end results will be so much better!
You do this, and the next post you will write her is a lay report!
It is a big step to take from being a pussy little boy to being a man, but the first part of that step, is to dare to try!

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