Story:

meet up with girl (HB10), we were dancing with my friends in the disco.

SHE said to go and get a drink. We go and i say to go back to the group

later, SHE said to go back out the club to sit down and talk. We sat down and talked. That imo is a major IOI.

I did all the routine stuff (tricks, 5-lies, thumbwar, etc..) there was A LOT of kino. Hands, face, body, everywhere.

In the conversation she was constantly screening me (what type of girls do you like, what do you think of this and that blabla, etc)

Then we went outside and walked around in the city. I tried to escalate on the kino, but everytime she backed off a bit.

At the end only 2 kisses and goodnight....

thanks!

Was that day 2 ? You have to take in account if the girl likes you, the harder she will play hard to get. If she let you fuck her on the first, she's afraid you would think she's a slut and she can do this with every other guy just like she did with you.
Imo, she backed off from the escalating, but she didn't refuse it, she kissed you after all. Just respect her wish, try to have fun with her instead of focusing on whether you would get laid that night or not. If by the 3rd date, she still doesnt put out then you can move on.
The only thing I think you did wrong was waiting for her to lead. You waited until she suggested to do something instead of initiate it.

Kind of day 2. We are both on Erasmus. We met one time before, just informal you know, without intentions.

She's strange. 3 minutes we walked hand in hand. Then she backed off. 5 minutes later again, etc.

She's very playfull. She sat on my shoulders and walked around.

She threw some water from the fountain to me.

She "stole" my phone and didn't wanted to give it back.

All that kind of stuff. Like she is 12 years old.

Trying to hard man. You are so outcome oriented you expressed it out to her. You kept probably focusing more kino do this routine that routine. Star to genuinely have fun and let if flow naturally. This will lead to better rapport and build up for kino. Not saying routines is bad, but you dont need to use many within an engagement. Remember you a prize too. Stop giving her such high value. Eventually flip the script and make some intrigue on why you should like her. Maker her qualify herself.

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Lets get together, make some bad decisions.

Not true.

I'm not trying really hard on her. I didn't initiate to go talking alone with her. Also today for example i didn't send her a message or whatever. Nor did i a lot of routines. I did maybe 2 regular PUA-stuff. Besides that only normal talking and natural kino.

So you're saying if an HB 10 doesn't put out to you on the 3rd date, you'd move on? Again, I'll be reiterating what I've been saying lately...

HB 10's are the cream of the crop. For me, it's probably like the 15 hottest girls in an entire big city and that's it.

I would definitely not be moving on from her if she didn't put out on the 3rd date. Can you clarify if you really meant that?!

I'm saying that based on the story he gave us, they had lot of kino and escalating, and kisses at the end of the first night. That means she's interested and sexually attracted to him. So with all that said, by the 3rd date her, she should be comfortable enough around him and LMR should be at the least. But of course that number is just baseline, it would be different for each girl, you will have to judge by her action. And by move on I mean stop trying hard to get in her pant, move on to the next one, as long as you dont burn the bridge you can always come back gaming her. You don't wanna risk being oneitus over her and come off as needy.

It could be that you just werent right.

I mean, your game could have been awesome and so but you just didnt connect. Every once in a while you come across the odd girl who doesnt like what the average girl likes. She checked you and saw that you are attractive and all but you didnt have those specific characteristics that she was looking for.

Example:

A girl might have a specific sexual preference. This is more common than you think. Like dominance or submission. A dominant girl wants a submissive man and a submissive girl wants to have a dominant man. Now Im not talking alpha male and shit but dominant for real.

A normal guy is not dominant enough for her. She will screen him for shat she wants. If he answers all her questions like a normal person, he is not what she wants. I mean, he thinks that he passed her tests but the correct answers were not the ones that are normally correct.

This can be helped by learning to read her. You need to be able to sense things about her based on your impression and how she acts. Hang around with people from different cultures, sexual preferences and subcultures and you will see what I mean. There are a lot of people in the world but only som personalities. They can be identified quite accurately. Especially since people normally wanna define themselves as belonging to a stereotype.

Like a lot of people would like to see themselves as PUAs. People buy the kit.

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

she's indeed a very dominant personality

just texted her to meet up tonight.
she said yes.


let's see what happens.

Well I want to marry an HB 10. Obviously. I've never hooked up with one in my life (nor have most people I know). I would like any girl that I marry to hold out as long as possible before having sex with me. Of course I would be relentlessly trying from day 1 but if she could hold out and not bang me til long after I wanted her, I'd be the happiest guy in the world in the long run. This would mean that she's less likely to ever cheat on you. Trust me, if you're married or dating an HB 10, you're going to be pretty paranoid about her cheating on you whether you like it or not... with all the guys swarming around her trying to get in her pants. If I know that she never cracked when I put in a long-ass period of relentlessly gaming her 24/7, I'll be much less needy and much-less going overboard on the oneitis.

I dunno. Maybe you just wanna fuck HB 10's and move on. If that's the case, you must be very, very good looking.

think about how many hours were you together for? how did you escalate the kino? was it a more sexual move? how did it flow with the way everything was going?

if you get too sexual prematurely you can kill the flow & make her get defensive and back off.. so that could be it.

good luck

so yesterday she went to my house. we eat and drink something. everything went fine

then i proposed to go out and dance. she prefered to stay at home and watch a movie together (IOI or not ?)

She was lying with her head on my chest all the time. I didn't moved for the kiss as i was pretty sure it's too early. Its really the kind of girl that takes a lot of time. But again, she's a 10. I can wait even 4 weeks. I want her so damn much.

I'm thinking to take her on a trip to visit a city. That's an all in one. Walking together, having diner, etc.

Lol I bet she expected sex when she said she wanted to stay at your place. Not to mention the movie was just a background for making out...

Nope, it wasn't the case. And i'm 100% sure of that. If it was, i would have made the move, don't worry.

And even IF it was, i did great not to move, so she will beg even more the next time

also don't forget she's 21 only.

It is easy to believe your own lies, but the fact remains that she preferred to stay ALONE with you then to go out. She has probably been with a bunch of other guys if she is a 10 and is 21. So you can believe she will want it more, but if nothing ends up happening very soon I can bet she will put you into friends because she hasn't felt "the spark"