" Ad hominem. Seriously though, are you actually trying to insult me? That's a pretty weak effort. Try putting some backbone into it next time. "

I will. Thanks for the insight!

" An unfounded generalization. Some women--as well as some men--don't know what they want, particularly when they are young. That's part of gaining what's colloquially referred to as 'life experience,' and is hardly a defect, regardless of whatever you view it to be. "

The "not old enough" cliche doesn't cut it anymore.

How old really must a person be in order to be officially considered "experienced in life" ? This is too relatively said.

No one on earth was born with a manual on how to be human.

" Did you gain all of your insights into the female mind by reading low-quality romance novels? Most women are far more realistic than that--no single person can be everything. This isn't the Renaissance anymore; society has progressed too far for any single person to be able to have a competant grasp on all relevant or interesting topics. There's only a finite amount of time that can be devoted to each pursuit. "

What you said sounds good, but if this applies to you good, but let me tell you maa'm - you are a minority. I've yet to meet a woman (under 40) that is what you describe. You're just an exception that solidifies the general rule.

" I further dispute your assumption that, for men, sex is a human need. It may be a desire, an urge, but does not reach the level of an unqualified need. You need food to eat and air to breathe--you certainly don't need sex in order to survive. "

Need, urge, desire - same shit. I wish I could explain to you how a man feels when he doesn't get his sexual urges "taken care of", if someone on this forum can explain it for me, that'd be great.

As far as I know, if a woman doesn't get laid for a long time, she just forgets how sex feels and all her urges/desires are gone, unless a man shows up to turn her on again.

" For a long-term commited relationship, different standards are needed. "

It varies far too much and in many different ways to be generalized. Again, these different/special cases are too few. Maybe it's the unconditional love I was yapping about , which is also very rare, but priceless?

" You come across as an extremely immature individual with the emotional intelligence of either a fifteen year-old high school boy or a three year-old child, accepting that this classification could be construed as an insult to either of the two relevant groups: "I want it, I want it now, and I don't understand why I can't have it! I WANT IT!" "

Yep! You pinned me down! I'm 13 actually.

Note that every schoolboy knows that girls are illogical.

Btw, congrats for having the balls to face me. I mean it...

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"Btw, congrats for having the balls to face me. I mean it..."

Trust me, it doesn't take any balls to "face you." You are far from the most formidable opponent that I have ever faced, and display a particularly worrying inability to (a). accept factual information when it is presented to you, or (b) actually deploy any fact or rationality in your arguments. Everything that you have said rests on unfounded generalization or your own personal experiences.

Generalization does not make for particularly effective arguments, as you ignore too much when you deploy it. Everything either fits within your generalization or is the exeption that proves the rule, making it impossible for others to actually disprove your arguments. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the inability to be disproven or challenged it is a strength--it is most assuredly not.

Personal stories may make good support for your arguments, but personal stories alone do not consitute an effective argument.

"Yep! You pinned me down! I'm 13 actually."

Forgive me for my lack of suprise. You're not young, you're an infant. Even worse, you're in that state of life in which you think that you're right and the rest of the world is wrong, that your parents are doddering fools who don't understand everything and life is straightforward, apart from the social drama that is an inevitable and all-important part of middle and high school life.

It may be a cliche, but the older one gets the more one forgets what it was like to be young. I'm young enough that I haven't, although I now possess the added insights of both age and experience.

"The "not old enough" cliche doesn't cut it anymore."

It isn't a cliche, or if it is, there's an element of truth to it. It isn't that one isn't old enough, but the advantages that additional experience brings. How do you know that you don't like something if you haven't tried it? How do you know that you want to be an x (insert any relevant jobs or profession) if you don't know what being an x actually entails (and I'm not just talking about the obvious part, but all that goes into it. For instance, being a doctor is not just about seeing patients and healing people. There's medical school and residency first. There's also paperwork, naviagating insurance companies, dealing with unruly patients, negotiating with colleagues, being on call, ect.)?

"How old really must a person be in order to be officially considered "experienced in life" ? This is too relatively said."

At some nebulous and undefined point, one goes from growing up (via gaining life experience) to simply accruing more experience. Where is this nebulous point, you might ask? It differs for every person, and some people never grow up.

"What you said sounds good, but if this applies to you good, but let me tell you maa'm - you are a minority. I've yet to meet a woman (under 40) that is what you describe. You're just an exception that solidifies the general rule."

Clearly, in your thirteen years of life, you have met a majority of the female population on earth and have thus become an unparalleled authority on the female mind.

"Need, urge, desire - same shit. I wish I could explain to you how a man feels when he doesn't get his sexual urges "taken care of", if someone on this forum can explain it for me, that'd be great."

Again--a desire is not a need. I don't care how much you want an Xbox, you don't need it. And what ever happened to masturbation? I'd recommend the fleshlight--I've heard that it's particularly good.

"As far as I know, if a woman doesn't get laid for a long time, she just forgets how sex feels and all her urges/desires are gone, unless a man shows up to turn her on again."

Seriously? Your entire span of knowledge about both men and women appears to be based solely on stereotypes. Men are strong and domineering and have power sexual urges, while women are submissive and weak and don't really have any sexual urges of their own. Do yourself a favour--get off the internet and go out and actually live life. I'd also recommend aging a couple years, of course, but that isn't going to happen right away.

Unconditional love is a myth and a scourge upon the earth. It doesn't exist, not genuinely, unless one is too unintelligent to know better than to provide it.

" Trust me, it doesn't take any balls to "face you." You are far from the most formidable opponent that I have ever faced, and display a particularly worrying inability to (a). accept factual information when it is presented to you, or (b) actually deploy any fact or rationality in your arguments. Everything that you have said rests on unfounded generalization or your own personal experiences. "

Damn girl, you really do have balls, I wasn't wrong. Altough there are are a dozen girls on this forum you're the only one stepping up. It's nice to argue with an actual woman for a change. It feels good. A lot of guys have been sent to do this instead of you. My personal experience and what I have seen is more than enough.

" Generalization does not make for particularly effective arguments, as you ignore too much when you deploy it. Everything either fits within your generalization or is the exeption that proves the rule, making it impossible for others to actually disprove your arguments. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the inability to be disproven or challenged it is a strength--it is most assuredly not. "

You're also guilty. You aren't paying a lot of attention yourself. And I can't be disproven because I'm fucking right lady! I perfectly understand that it sucks to loose an argument. I just remembered the Mystery Method argument... damn that sucked...

Just because what I say seems harsh, doesn't necessarily mean actions based on it are. I do believe that women deserve care and protection, like a houseplant or something...

" Personal stories may make good support for your arguments, but personal stories alone do not consitute an effective argument. "

I have plenty of those... And it's far from what you like to hear.

" Forgive me for my lack of suprise. You're not young, you're an infant. Even worse, you're in that state of life in which you think that you're right and the rest of the world is wrong, that your parents are doddering fools who don't understand everything and life is straightforward, apart from the social drama that is an inevitable and all-important part of middle and high school life. "

That was a joke... Don't you "get" sarcasm? Of course you don't... I'm actually 19, btw. If by any chance you're a cougar, stay the fuck away from me, otherwise I will.

At first when I read that I laughed hard. Imagine a grown woman arguing seriously with a 13 year old, LOL

" At some nebulous and undefined point, one goes from growing up (via gaining life experience) to simply accruing more experience. Where is this nebulous point, you might ask? It differs for every person, and some people never grow up. "

And thus you can never really know. You can't compare apples with oranges. I stand correct.

" It isn't a cliche, or if it is, there's an element of truth to it. It isn't that one isn't old enough, but the advantages that additional experience brings. How do you know that you don't like something if you haven't tried it? How do you know that you want to be an x (insert any relevant jobs or profession) if you don't know what being an x actually entails (and I'm not just talking about the obvious part, but all that goes into it. For instance, being a doctor is not just about seeing patients and healing people. There's medical school and residency first. There's also paperwork, naviagating insurance companies, dealing with unruly patients, negotiating with colleagues, being on call, ect.)? "

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...


" Again--a desire is not a need. I don't care how much you want an Xbox, you don't need it. And what ever happened to masturbation? I'd recommend the fleshlight--I've heard that it's particularly good. "

Omg fuck off! Fleshlights?!? Such things justify the whole matrix I'm talking about and tolerate the "lowlife" lifestyle.

" get off the internet and go out and actually live life. I'd also recommend aging a couple years, of course, but that isn't going to happen right away.

Unconditional love is a myth and a scourge upon the earth. It doesn't exist, not genuinely, unless one is too unintelligent to know better than to provide it. "

Well agree and I disagree.

Getting off the internet - Okay!

Define "having a life" ! Your concept of it, may not be what everyone else thinks, be warned.

About the aging thing - I agree, I'm far from a perfect man, but I'm focusing on goals and I never forget what I am - a MAN.

Besides lady, you are not the one who is gonna teach me logic and what should I want, what should I strive for, and whom should I become, who should I model.

All great men never sought anyone's appoval, they never doubted their own judgement, they never consulted anyone in order to decide how to act. And eventually they brake all the patterns, they set up their own stereotype a their own success model.

When you separate yourself from the "pack" you either become a star or an outcast. The difference between the two is that the outcast doubts his own way of thinking and judgement. While the start never doubts his own righteousness and acts anyway, thus defiling social norms and eventually the pack has no choice but to light the flame of the newborn star.


All great leaders are courageous, masculine, broad-minded , straightforward and forward-looking while real feminine women don't match all these things , thus most women are not great leaders.

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Well man, first off my "i am better than her and she is simply not clever enough to understand" works for me, and all the guys I know , in all areas of life. It relieves almost all the tension and worries. It is a working model as few would dare to admit. It's nothing special, you just embrace your natural value that no one can take from you, and you never forget that! People will try to distract you from this, by telling you bullshit like "you're incomplete" if you want to be complete do this and this to prove to us that you have some value. And people actually buy into this shit.

" However, once you actually get close to a woman and you believe she loves you, if that love ever goes away you have lost something. "

Don't we all?

Alright the 5 examples? I'm curious, what do you mean by that? 5 failures in life or 5 failures inside the game? There's a big difference.

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Maybe most guys here don't understand what are you saying.confirm/deny this please.

You say that men are better than women,that's simple.But the truth is that there are fiew men around,because like i said,we don't have wars to fight,things to kill..etc.So you are talking about a lot of boys not men.

Maybe what are you trying to say,that a guy who has undergone a series of challanges,who can be seen,and sees himself as a MAN because of what he has done,is trully better than a woman.

I think that is an exeption,not a rule.

So how about the girls?they are the same!Abusing power changes them.They are like the AFCs of today.But how does a girl find "herself",is there a female version of being a man?(sounds creepy!!hope you get the point)

Maybe you are an exeption,but have you found female exeptions too?let girls answer this questions,i am really curios what makes a real woman these days!A caracterization would be nice!

"You say that men are better than women,that's simple.But the truth is that there are fiew men around,because like i said,we don't have wars to fight,things to kill..etc.So you are talking about a lot of boys not men. "

Such are the men of the military. I know a couple of soldiers. It goes without saying that I have deep respect for them. One is a special forces commando. Because what they can endure and do vastly outweights the abilities of 80% of all men, much less any women...

" Maybe what are you trying to say,that a guy who has undergone a series of challanges,who can be seen,and sees himself as a MAN because of what he has done,is trully better than a woman. "

Well yes, BUT those men have embraced their natural manhood and that's all they need to overcome those challenges. Accomplishments build confidence, yes. Let's not limit a man's true value to just physical strenght and willingness to kill and commit violence.

There are a lot of paths that lead to greatness like politics, science, business,even the entertainment industry,

" I think that is an exeption,not a rule. " No...

" So how about the girls?they are the same!Abusing power changes them.They are like the AFCs of today.But how does a girl find "herself",is there a female version of being a man?(sounds creepy!!hope you get the point) "

I cannot answer that question. Ask someone else to define what a real woman is. It must be something very different that an alpha male... Probably women like Jessica Alba, Angelina Jolee etc? Really feminine women, who aren't stuck up bitches?

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I am curios to,on how does somebody caracterise a real woman,so if anyone has an idea,post it!

Can we get this thread locked, please? It hurts my equality brain just knowing that it exists...

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I am going to lock this thread because everything that can be said, has been said, and it is dangerously close to becoming little more than a pointless flame war despite Madals' warning.

F_I_X_E_R, I seriously hope you set your ego aside, re-read what's been said here with an open mind and re-evaluate your position on the relative worthiness of the female gender. Regardless, we've done all we can to help you.

To the OP: if you want to continue the discussion on what traits constitute an "alpha female," feel free to start a new thread.

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