That's the difference, you're scared of women, we however are not cowards. THAT is the kind of men that we are.

Women are equals, and nothing bad has resulted from it. I get laid more rather than less, the women I hang out with are more interesting and I can connect better with them.

Your pseudo-logic is the same as bigots and racists. And your attitude to people is very similar to that of an orphan who has yet to overcome the loss of their parents.

The end of your thinking is beneficial to ME, and humanity. Your shield has been removed in alot of countries, and those countries have all progressed further. There has been no chaos, no shortage in the number of babies, nothing bad has happened to anyone...

Apart from pathetic morsels like yourself being passed over for real men after they have lost their support system. But then we can afford to lose dead weight.

Now answer the goddamn points.

This is called "the guilt imposing technique" , if I'm wrong, it's at least a form of it, because this tactic is very common.

It's hard to find a girl that would like you unconditionally.

"Do/be xyz, and I will continue giving you approval"

She might not really care if you're fat or not, all she cares is that you get tricked to fall off balance. When you loose your balance your judgement is at her mercy.

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@ Fin - you posted too late.

Read my previous posts. Or better yet read ALL my posts.

I'm not going to repeat myself again.

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You haven't answered any of my points.

Your silence is only evidence of your failure.

YEAH SHE SHOULD
FAT IS GROSS

I wanted to send you a PM but my internet conection fell,i don't know if you got it,but i;m sending again Chief

Yes I have...

Your ignorance is the failure here. It's your own fault for not understanding what I'm trying to tell you. If you don't like it then go get yourself killed in a car accident. Cause my imagination fails to express my point trough another way.
Stop wasting my time and nerves, so that I might inspire reason in guys that would listen.

As I said I'm not going to repeat myself again...

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Do you view woman from an evolutionary perspective?I mean,do you think that feelings are of no good,only sex matters?


Is this the hunter-pray dinamyc.Like a hunter,you respect your prey for giving you a challenging hunt,a challange,or you just go for the pussy,no questions asked.


Do you have religious beliefies?I am talking about cristianity,and how God made us.(I don't,just for the record,maybe some of you are interested)

How do you view girls in society,dunno who said this"Beta males are essential,because they make alpas posible".How do you see other guys?inferior to you because what they made in they're live,what they have acomplished?or the same because we all have potential?

A lot of questions,hope it makes sense;)

@ robizeratul :

Well, technically I'm Christian.

If you ask people that know me, they'd say that I'm a 10% believer. I'm not the person who is going to choose a position and debate on that subject.

But I do believe that there is some sort of higher power that governs our entire lives.

About the hunting, well yea, lol you can say that.

Ultimately I want unconditional love.

"If you love me you'd do/be xyz" ; "If you really love me you'd marry me right now, otherwise leave my life" ; "Why the hell do you have "this: and not "that"?" ; "Why do you want to spend time with you friends (other guys). What you don't like me?"

Those are examples when a woman places certain requirements and outlandish demands if you want to maintain the relationship.

Men don't do that. I decide if I want a woman within 3-5 seconds of seeing her and that decision can hardly be altered in the future. Just like any other normal, healthy, heterosexual male. A man does not give ultimatums to a woman if she wants the man to continue liking her. Well, there are some exceptions but they barely count... (in serious cases like alchohol, drugs etc etc)



How do you view girls in society,dunno who said this"Beta males are essential,because they make alpas posible".How do you see other guys?inferior to you because what they made in they're live,what they have acomplished?or the same because we all have potential?

Good question.

First off, world leaders become those people, who GENUINELY want the job. They don't want it because they'd seem "cool", or because of the respect and power that comes with it. Those kind of people want it because it would give them genuine happiness and fullfilment. Such people are very rare, but every step in the journey is exciting and they rarely treat it as work because they genuinely want to change the world. Simply put - a pure desire.

Every person has a different concept of hapiness. A thing that makes one person happy, might make another person miserable. You shouldn't be fooled by society when it tells you what you have to want, what you should strive for, whom do you need to become.

You need to hear the whisper of the morning stars. This means that your heart knows better what you need.

Leaders become those who never doubt their own judgement, leaders never consult with other people in order to decide how to act, leaders are unapologetic.

Well Alphas need Betas and vice versa, as long as they reward each other and both parties know their place and both are happy there shouldn't be a problem.

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"Why can't you just walk up to a girl and say "I want you!" and get her UNCONDITIONALLY"

Because maybe she actually some thoughts of her own about what she wants? Why on earth should anyone else exist solely to ensure your own happiness and pleasure?

More than that, I have trouble understanding why someone would even want someone else to exist solely for his/her own happiness and pleasure. I understand that it's quite a heady power trip, and that one can--in the right circumstances--get more things accomplished that way (think the pyramids of ancient Egypt), but it isn't something that should be desired because of its malforming effects upon those who--supposedly--benefit from it, quite apart from its negative effects on others. Such a state would distort one's view of the world, ultimately rendering him/her an unhappy and unpleasant individual. When you're surrounded by people who, for whatever reason, feel as though they can't criticize or disappoint you in any way and that they must always comply, one is incapable of experiencing actual friendship and love.

You want unconditional love? Get a dog--I'd recommend a lab, they're a particularly nice and usually non-aggressive breed. And no matter how many times you kick them, they'll always come crawling back begging for more.

Unconditional love is an unrealistic expactation to apply to human relationships, regardless of form, unless that relationship is formed with someone who possesses a severe enough form of mental retardation. I would go so far as to argue that even parental love is not unconditional, and nor should it be.

What is love? For you, it sounds like it consists of finding someone who knows her place and gives you unlimited and unqualified validation. That isn't love; you want a slave--if not in law, then at least at mind. You care nothing about respect or the feelings of any potential partners.

You want love? What are you prepared to give in return?

*I can't in good conscience post this without a disclaimer--I in no way advocate animal abuse. I use the illustration because of the inherent patheticness of it. It takes a particularly virulent form of cowardice to strike at the helpless and the weak.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Trading responsibilities for blow jobs? Cars with guns attached? Tanks?

Your delusional and misogynistic rants make less and less sense every time you post here. You are losing all the ground you didn't even initially have, and you ignore all of our counterpoints that prove you wrong by hiding behind some abstract slanderous jumble of women-hating.

What do you have to say about Hatshepsut?

And what are your views on racism? Give me one good reason why misogyny on a scale that you are demonstrating is so much more acceptable than racism.

"Everybody is a hero in their own mind."

This sums you up pretty well. You are delusional. I'm not gonna try and put this nicely. You don't see where you're going wrong because you can't step out of your body and see how counterproductive your views are to society. You have not a single valid point to back up your claims. You just make some degrading statement about women and assume its true.

Give us some real reasons why men are better than women. I mean real, concrete facts, like Hobbit, Jav, Chief and I have been providing.

Mankind has never prospered so much as when he has an open mind. An open mind mainly to equality. No I'm not going to spare you this "illusion of equality" because you have to accept that equality is no longer an illusion. Wake the fuck up from your archaic slumber of ignorance and realize that today is fucking 2010. Women are productive members of society. Without women, you wouldn't fucking be here. Without a mother figure, you wouldn't have gotten far past 1.

Women are not better than men, and besides that dude with the sunglasses, I believe you are the only one on this thread who believes so.

Here is a site better suited for people like you:

www.menarebetterthanwomen.com

Consider that a favour. Now take your posts to that site, and quit tainting this one.

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We're wasting a lot of energy on something pointless.

Fixer, I'm sorry that you believe all this. You have so much potential otherwise.

Fixer isn't budging. The newbies that read this thread should have divined the real truth from all these replies, so this thread honestly has no further point.

Could we please devote our resources to something more productive?

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Mod warning: while people may not believe F_I_X_E_Rs point of view, it is still against the rules to flame his posts. Likewise, F_I_X_E_R, don't flame people. The end result is this is a discussion, not an argument. Learn the difference or get the thread locked/yourself banned.

Fixer, you say you want unconditional love yet also say men are superior due to their drive and ambition. To get unconditional love you need no drive or ambition - whatever you do will result in you getting that love. Ultimately this leads me to believe you want unconditional love as it will mean you cannot "fail".
Let me elaborate, all while you try with women and get rejected - you can deal with it as "i am better than her and she is simply not clever enough to understand". However, once you actually get close to a woman and you believe she loves you, if that love ever goes away you have lost something.

You are also very keen at asking question of everyone else - I believe this is your way of trying to understand them. I want to understand you, so answer this:
Give me 5 examples of where you have failed, and how it made you feel when you failed and why you think you failed.

Madals

@ Madals - alright, no flaming - got it. But I will respond to you later I have a "flame war" to attend to... Let me just deal with these guys and I'm back to ya'.

Alright people I'll try to be reasonable with you. Aaah, reason... What a sweet word! If you think you had the final word, lol, think again. It will take more than a few brave petty comments to take me down.

Where do I start...

Well Melissa, thanks for the feedback. I'd choose a dog over you any day based on your lame first impression.

I remember Jav saying that "The world doesn't owe you anything". I understand that, I have to give in order to receive. Unfortunately this is kinda complicated when you're dealing with women... Everyone knows that women don't know what they want.

I'm going to repeat again:

Not all men have money, good looks, talent, wit, charm, charisma, interesting stories, cultural insights, skills, athletic abilities, political acumen, macho attitudes, an ability to eat an inhuman amount of food, or other non-toxic products, a sense of style, an easy going demeanor, video games, a sweet car, a spa, or an in-depth knowledge of everything. All men, however are still men. That means they need to get laid and will always find a way.

While we men just want girls that have nice tits, and who are not too chubby and that's that! It's that simple.

Most would agree that the qualification process one side isn't equal to the other.

You're blaming me for being uncaring? What do YOU care for? Or pretend to care for? Why get a man who has control over his life, when there are plenty of idiots out there who would subdue themselves to you.

Alright, I'll finally answer you lame question. I'll just pretend that I'm not wasting our time.

So Hatshepsut is the first woman pharaoh right? Right.

The pharaoh is a position that has almost always belonged to men.
(^did I express that right?)

According to historical evidence, queen Hatshepsut wore male clothing and wore the ornamental pharaoh's beard. Since all feminists and "empowered" women are basicly lesbians , I'm not surprised... She's just simply an exception that proves the general rule.

And she was responsible for governing the construction of monuments. Well as always, those buildings were constructed by MEN. Men who lead very tough lives at that era, who worked non stop in the heating sun with almost no food and water. Only idiots would disagree that it takes a man to push trough that. Yeah it's easy to praise yourself as a mighty ruler behind your shiny palace's walls while you have slaves devoting their lives to your most small and petty desires.

Just my 5 cents...

I'm scared? What makes you think that?

Damn man, if I met you in real life I'd probably run from you like hell... Not...

I'm standing here, all on my own against a horde of feminazis, stepping up for all that I believe (know) without caring for the outcome.

If every man surrendered so easily to the opinion of the majority, nothing of value in this fucking world would remain! I'm not going to be pushed in self-betrayal. I deny to feed your sick pleasure.

Is your stupidity in-born?

What other questions do you guys have? Common, hit me. I double dare you.

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"Well Melissa, thanks for the feedback. I'd choose a dog over you any day based on your lame first impression."

Ad hominem. Seriously though, are you actually trying to insult me? That's a pretty weak effort. Try putting some backbone into it next time.

"Unfortunately this is kinda complicated when you're dealing with women... Everyone knows that women don't know what they want."

An unfounded generalization. Some women--as well as some men--don't know what they want, particularly when they are young. That's part of gaining what's colloquially referred to as 'life experience,' and is hardly a defect, regardless of whatever you view it to be.

"Not all men have money, good looks, talent, wit, charm, charisma, interesting stories, cultural insights, skills, athletic abilities, political acumen, macho attitudes, an ability to eat an inhuman amount of food, or other non-toxic products, a sense of style, an easy going demeanor, video games, a sweet car, a spa, or an in-depth knowledge of everything. All men, however are still men. That means they need to get laid and will always find a way."

Did you gain all of your insights into the female mind by reading low-quality romance novels? Most women are far more realistic than that--no single person can be everything. This isn't the Renaissance anymore; society has progressed too far for any single person to be able to have a competant grasp on all relevant or interesting topics. There's only a finite amount of time that can be devoted to each pursuit.

Your list is also partly inaccurate in any case--why on earth did video games and macho attitudes make the list? Most women that I know wouldn't find either of these particularly desireable.

I further dispute your assumption that, for men, sex is a human need. It may be a desire, an urge, but does not reach the level of an unqualified need. You need food to eat and air to breathe--you certainly don't need sex in order to survive.

"While we men just want girls that have nice tits, and who are not too chubby and that's that! It's that simple."

Stereotypically, yes, but, again, that depends upon exactly what one is looking for. A one-night stand--go with the tits (although, again, not all men are into tits--some prefer different parts of the female anatomy). For a long-term commited relationship, different standards are needed.

"You're blaming me for being uncaring? What do YOU care for? Or pretend to care for? Why get a man who has control over his life, when there are plenty of idiots out there who would subdue themselves to you."

I'm not blaming you for anything. I could care less about the myraid of ways that you will inevitably deploy to screw up your life. You come across as an extremely immature individual with the emotional intelligence of either a fifteen year-old high school boy or a three year-old child, accepting that this classification could be construed as an insult to either of the two relevant groups: "I want it, I want it now, and I don't understand why I can't have it! I WANT IT!"

Since you see no interest in answering my questions, preferring to deflect them, I see no reason to answer yours. I will, however, say this--one of my requirements for a boyfriend is that he doesn't worship me. That doesn't mean I want someone who treats me badly, but I don't want to absolute control over him--it wouldn't be good for either of us, or our relationship as a whole.