Woaaaaahhh sooo much drama I'm gonna start crying... These are heavy words I've never looked upon the world this way.

Sike!

Anyway thanks for the advice... MOM!

As I said above and I hate repeating myself, DO NOT try to impose guilt in other people in order to make them serve your ends or see your viewpoint. That's what women do, because it's their best weapon and trust me, they need it... I'm no stranger to manipulation.

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Regarding the rulers, you need to understand that running and entire nation and ensuring it's survival is no joking manner and there is no place for mistakes and weakness of any kind. Responsibility of such great scale cannot be trusted upon the unprepared and unworthy, it is a burden better left to men.

" Do you think humanity can reach its full potential if only half of the population has rights to do so?

I'm interested to hear your answer to that. "

Yes, and I know so. Men drive this world, women are just along for the ride. I'm trying to explain things as simple as possible.


Ever wonder why the only place you can get a fresh baked apple pie these days is at Marie Callender's or your grandmother's house? It's because during a movement called "Women Liberation" , women traded in cooking and cleaning for blow jobs.

It's like when men traded in working for listening to women's endless screed of woman problems. Except that never happened.

Men don't operate like that. We don't trade shit we don't want to do for things that are easier.

Responsibilities are not baseball cards. They can't be traded or sold to the highest blow job. Responsibilities are more like tattoos you've gotten when you're drunk or depressed. They may not be the prettiest things in the world, and they may not make any sense , but gaddamit they are here now.

Someone's got to deal with this shit.

Just imagine if men worked like women...

EDIT: I just noticed your point regarding the military.

Let me put it this way, especially for you.

All women hate guns.

Guns are awesome. In fact, a gun is the manliest thing there is. Guns are like a penis that makes things blow up.

Fuck!

Actually, I take that back! The manliest thing there is would be some kind of nuclear car with guns attached to it. But is it the car manlier because of the guns, or are the guns manlier because of the car? What about a tank? Where does a tank play into this?

Wherever it wants... It's a tank.

All men love guns and think that guns is the greatest thing that has ever happened. Did you know that without guns, 99% of people on earth would be slaves? Guns ended slavery.

Before the invention of guns, people lived in feudal societies. I have seen the film "Bravehearth" many times. And each time I watch it, I become more and more certain that feudal life was bullshit. Guns invented democracy.

As a man, I thank guns for that. If I were a woman I'd have to figure out a way to have lackluster sex with the invention of the gun. That's how women show gratitude.

Women might also hate guns because they're complicated - guns, not women. Women are not complicated at all. Women are as simple as broken vending machines that eat your money.

The real reason women hate guns is because women enjoy being in danger. Without guns, you and me, and everyone would be on constant alert for the Hun Alarm, that would make us jump out of bed in the middle of the night and let us know our town was about to get burned to the fucking ground...

Again, thank guns and all them men in the military that you've never heard of the Hun Alarm...

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So you don't let other people affect you.

1. Not neccessarily losing. I would read up on military tactics. Drawing an army out to war, then raiding their town as they march out was a prety common tactic. Up until "just war theory" (which was largely ignored anyway).

2. So elephants are smarter than humans?

Women earn less due to having to work less due to the traditional structure of the family. This pay gap however has lessened as time has gone on, you do the math.

Also some evidence that men are more driven and ambitious. As far as the BPS is concerned, that is a myth about the sex groups.

You are somewhat right in calling it a gender pay gap. Then again a persons gender is seperate from their sex.

3. http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&biw=1276 ... 51ab5d9d97

4. You are making a circular demand, one the one hand you are admitting that women did not have access to science, creative culture and politics, while then using the fact that there are fewer female scientists etc to try and further your point.

I'll lay out your two options. (There are others, but they don't make for a sound logical argument)

Either you agree with us in that the reason there are fewer female X is becuase up until recently they were not allowed to engage in such an activity.

Or you disagree with us and say that women were allowed in politics, science etc and that the reason they are less influencial is down to their inability.

5. You use the fact that a historically oppressed group suffered oppression resulting in their lack of influence) as evidence that such a group is inferior.

This has been true for black people, particularly africans.

So yes, I will nail you to your swastica* if that is what it takes to expose your ugly innards.

*It's metaphorical.

6. Haha, nice goal post shift. You know, the further a society culturally, technologically and intellectually advances. The more it sheds the "Men are superior" mindset.

Says alot about your position.

7. Again, evidence? (I'm not really expecting any, seeing as you have failed to deliver on all the other claims that you have shouted about until someone asked you for some proof.)

8. You do realise women live on their own, all the time, right?

By Amber Hensley

The differences between women and men are not only well-documented, but frequently at the heart of jokes, anecdotes, and good-natured (and not so good-natured) ribbing. Experts have discovered that there are actually differences in the way women’s and men’s brains are structured and in the way they react to events and stimuli. So the next time your wife, boyfriend, or parent starts telling you how you should have done something differently, then refer back to these big differences between men’s and women’s brains.

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Human relationships. Women tend to communicate more effectively than men, focusing on how to create a solution that works for the group, talking through issues, and utilizes non-verbal cues such as tone, emotion, and empathy whereas men tend to be more task-oriented, less talkative, and more isolated. Men have a more difficult time understanding emotions that are not explicitly verbalized, while women tend to intuit emotions and emotional cues. These differences explain why men and women sometimes have difficulty communicating and why men-to-men friendships look different from friendships among women.
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Left brain vs. both hemispheres. Men tend to process better in the left hemisphere of the brain while women tend to process equally well between the two hemispheres. This difference explains why men are generally stronger with left-brain activities and approach problem-solving from a task-oriented perspective while women typically solve problems more creatively and are more aware of feelings while communicating.
3
Mathematical abilities. An area of the brain called the inferior-parietal lobule (IPL) is typically significantly larger in men, especially on the left side, than in women. This section of the brain is thought to control mental mathematical ability, and probably explains why men frequently perform higher in mathematical tasks than do women. Interestingly, this is the same area of Einstein’s brain that was discovered to be abnormally large. The IPL also processes sensory information, and the larger right side in women allows them to focus on, "specific stimuli, such as a baby crying in the night."
4
Reaction to stress. Men tend to have a "fight or flight" response to stress situations while women seem to approach these situations with a "tend and befriend" strategy. Psychologist Shelley E. Taylor coined the phrase "tend and befriend" after recognizing that during times of stress women take care of themselves and their children (tending) and form strong group bonds (befriending). The reason for these different reactions to stress is rooted in hormones. The hormone oxytocin is released during stress in everyone. However, estrogen tends to enhance oxytocin resulting in calming and nurturing feelings whereas testosterone, which men produce in high levels during stress, reduces the effects of oxytocin.
5
Language. Two sections of the brain responsible for language were found to be larger in women than in men, indicating one reason that women typically excel in language-based subjects and in language-associated thinking. Additionally, men typically only process language in their dominant hemisphere, whereas women process language in both hemispheres. This difference offers a bit of protection in case of a stroke. Women may be able to recover more fully from a stroke affecting the language areas in the brain while men may not have this same advantage.
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Emotions. Women typically have a larger deep limbic system than men, which allows them to be more in touch with their feelings and better able to express them, which promotes bonding with others. Because of this ability to connect, more women serve as caregivers for children. The down side to this larger deep limbic system is that it also opens women up to depression, especially during times of hormonal shifts such as after childbirth or during a woman’s menstrual cycle.
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Brain size. Typically, men’s brains are 11-12% bigger than women’s brains. This size difference has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, but is explained by the difference in physical size between men and women. Men need more neurons to control their greater muscle mass and larger body size, thus generally have a larger brain.
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Pain. Men and women perceive pain differently. In studies, women require more morphine than men to reach the same level of pain reduction. Women are also more likely to vocalize their pain and to seek SPAM for their pain than are men. The area of the brain that is activated during pain is the amygdala, and researchers have discovered that in men, the right amygdala is activated and in women, the left amygdala is activated. The right amygdala has more connections with areas of the brain that control external functions while the right amygdala has more connections with internal functions. This difference probably explains why women perceive pain more intensely than do men.
9
Spatial ability. Men typically have stronger spatial abilities, or being able to mentally represent a shape and its dynamics, whereas women typically struggle in this area. Medical experts have discovered that women have a thicker parietal region of the brain, which hinders the ability to mentally rotate objects–an aspect of spatial ability. Research has shown this ability in babies as young as 5 months old, negating any ideas that these abilities were strengthened by environmental influences.
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Susceptibility to disorders. Because of the way men and women use the two hemispheres of the brain differently, there are some disorders that men and women are susceptible to in different ways. Men are more apt to have dyslexia or other language problems. If women have dyslexia, they are more likely to compensate for it. Women, on the other hand, are more susceptible to mood disorders such as depression and anxiety. While handedness is not a disorder, these brain tendencies also explain why more men are left-handed than are women. Men are also more likely to be diagnosed with autism, ADHD, and Tourette’s Syndrome.

A question to fixer

you said a lot about your girls,but how do you game them?i saw that no guru ever said bad thing about women so directly,i am curious how do you get laid,using the traditional techniques but just pretending to be interested in her?how is your inner game and how do you handle them?

Another thing,how do girls see you?how do you control theyre perception?

Even if i don't agree 100%,i think that women are inferior to men.For just one reason,man use more logic,while women emotion.The truth is we don't live in a world of emotions so much as we live in a organized society.What do you think?

A very good question and I'll gladly answer that.

" using the traditional techniques but just pretending to be interested in her " Dude... I'm not gay... seriously...

Well firstly, attacking people's self esteem is never a good idea if you're trying to get something from them.

So what do I do? Let's first define what kind of girls I like.

I like girls that would like me UNCONDITIONALLY. Which means not obligating me to meet up with them all the time, not asking a series of questions if they see me with another girl, not demanding me to account for stuff that isn't their fucking business, not trying to impose guilt in me for not doing what they want from me.

Girls that know their place, who aren't trying to claim "things" that don't generally belong to them. Girls who are more humble.

Sometimes they start male-bashing in front of me. It doesn't happen too often but in such cases I just gently reframe the situation, but putting a lot of pressure on them in order to increase their awareness of what their talking about... Usually they stop here and behave. Here's an example:

"Hah, Teo, Men stand higher than women only when women are sitting!"

- Lol if you say so *sarcastically* You seem very upset, what made you say that?

"Uhm nothing" in most cases they cannot handle the pressure and shut up.

BUT if she continues, that's it. That's the deal breaker. I don't care how hot she is or who the fuck she is, I no longer want her cause nothing turns me off more. I burn the bridge I have built between us and I put her on her place, by pointing out her woman insecurities then leave.

So we went over what I'd do if she crosses the line. Well, you asked about my inner game and it's kinda complicated to explain. As I said, men are better than women and this knowledge keeps me calm and at ease with myself, I have nothing to fear. I know their are trying to put me in a frame I don't want because their scared shitless from me. They have to do this, because it fuels their self esteem, while all they do is leach value from other men because they cannot gain it on their own. There are no successful women who have no successful men in their lives. What is a successful man? A man who makes more money than his wife could possibly spend. What is a successful woman? A woman that has found such a man...


It's a good thing I'm aware of the methods women use to manipulate men. I identify these patterns and then brake them by either being completely unaffected or by "inserting" a response they weren't expecting. It's a matter of time until they realize that they have no power over me, and this is the moment they subdue. Of course I reward their compliance and release some of their tension.

Either you break or she brakes. And if you're broken this is a very bad place to be.
And yes, I do use traditional methods, I just make sure to disarm their attacks when they come. I avoid "attacking" them, and I keep my "heat" level just enough for them to handle it. They are going to attack me tough, but I know how to handle it.

I think I also answered your question about how women perceve me. As I said, I just know that I'm higher value than any woman I meet for all the reasons I listed in this thread. And this state subcommunicates to them trough my behavior and then they get the message subconsciously, because they can feel what I feel.

I just don't get it. When pick up gurus talk about inner game, they aim to increase your self esteem by telling you that you are the prize.

How are you supposed to believe all of a sudden that you are the prize when all your life up to this point you've been manipulated and brainwashed by women?

I gave you guys a lot of reasons why you should believe you're actually the prize, without having to persuade yourself into being something you don't know what the hell it is.

And now guys bash me, because I gave them a solution to most of their self esteem issues. Seriously, this is fucking messed up.

People pretend they want to get good with women BUT their are making stupid, outlandish excuses why they can't do it. Booo hoo the drama...

I gave you guys a real reasons and facts why you are the prize but now you're bashing me, because I'm trying to disarm those limiting beliefs women have imposed on you so damn well... You don't understand. Women will do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING they can to break you, they have to do it, they have too much insecurities to cover, otherwise they'll have a mental brakedown. They will not stop until you are their puppet and this is a very bad place to be. If you realize this now, it's very hard to break out of their game I understand. This is why I'm bashed. They are afraid their prized girlfriends might be reading this. Again, they will do everything to keep you in, they cannot afford to loose too much men in their lives. Hey, if they cannot live without men, they could as might as well manipulate them into making their lives easier.


" Even if i don't agree 100%,i think that women are inferior to men.For just one reason,man use more logic,while women emotion.The truth is we don't live in a world of emotions so much as we live in a organized society.What do you think?"


Take 10 minutes to read all I have written in this thread and you'll have your questions answered. This whole world is built on logic and order, and it takes a man to do the job.





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@ Fin :

Before I answer your post, I need you to tell me.

Why are you defending a position that does not benefit you, what's in it for you really? The position I defend, shields all men including you, while you're trying to take off that shield and bash it on my head. That's kinda stupid you know that?

I expected women to jump in this thread to try and "compete" with my reasoning skills, but instead I'm surprised to find guys turning tables on me.

What kind of men are you really?

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The kind who don't need to create a false sense of superiority by degrading other people in order to feel good about ourselves.
What the hell are you talking about? People make life-altering decisions based purely on emotion all the time. Ever heard of a crime of passion?

Your boy,
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Nothing to fear? Seems to me that you fear the possibility that all people might actually be equal, because that would lead to you being not calm and not at ease with yourself.

You do not have good "inner game." And deep down inside you already know that you've built a castle on sand.
You're fueling your self-esteem by trying put women into an inferior frame while assuming a superior frame. Do you honesty not see the biting hypocrisy in your web of thoughts here?
Most people are good with good intentions. You will disagree with this statement because you were hurt during that vital stage of development when you were supposed to learn this. You have convinced yourself that women don't have good intentions. That's common; know that there is still hope for rehabilitation for you.
You probably still don't understand this yet, but your argument is the one that's seriously fucking messed up here.

When a pickup guru who knows what he's actually talking about teaches inner game, they're aiming to help you by addressing issues deeply rooted in your psyche. When a suicidal lunatic with habitual self-destructive tendencies teaches inner game, he's going to give band-aid solutions that will leave you with sticking points to deal with in the future.

"Being the prize" isn't a frame that requires you to believe that you're better than anybody else. I could explain how you can still frame yourself as the "prize" without any of this value nonsense but that's going a bit off-topic. The real frame that needs addressing here is something deeper. It's your hate for women vs. our love for women.

You did not give a so-called solution to any sort of self-esteem or inner game issue. You projected an insecurity.
We're bashing you because you're the one with the limiting beliefs that you've imposed onto yourself from being hurt. Rather than giving us any "real reasons" or "facts," you've done nothing but projected your own insecurities. Your ego is tricking you into reinforcing your own rationalizations and you're actually convinced that you're helping people when you try to spread your beliefs.

You don't understand.
F_I_X_E_R's ego will do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING it can do to defend it's rationalizations, he has too many insecurities to cover, otherwise he'll have a mental breakdown, followed by a mental breakthrough, followed by the path to REAL self-esteem based on loving himself and others rather than on hating others as a projection of his own insecurities.
I really don't give a fuck what my girlfriend reads. She can read whatever the hell she wants to read. HEY BABY IF YOU'RE READING THIS, YOUR PUSSY IS REALLY TIGHT. IT IS AWESOME. I'll show this to her later. She'll probably hit me and whine or something. She's so cute.

EDIT: To further illustrate my point, near the beginning of our relationship I actually told my girlfriend "If you get fat, I'm dumping you" verbatim.

Oh, well, anyway, it sounds like you're trying to take the higher ground. As a man, can YOU live without women? Perhaps, but damn that would suck, huh? And you sure wouldn't be here if it weren't for your momma.
Yeah, right.
You're defending a position that you think benefits you when all it does it add more bricks onto that castle you've got there. Pretty big castle, by the way. Looking pretty big and strong. Too bad the foundation is wrong and the whole thing's about to crumble on itself.

Your "shield" does not benefit me. I need no "defending." You don't, either. Men and women aren't enemies. They're partners. The only thing your so-called shield does is act as a divider. It's getting in the way of your penis trying to connect to the vagina. That's why we're bashing "you." It's our job to tell rAFCs when they're wrong and to tell them how to do things better. I put "you" in quotes for a reason, by the way. Think about it with all your superior reasoning skills.

you can't deny that fixers (and Dick Masterson's)way of thinking can't help men.How many can't say a word to a girl?2 days therapy about how women suck could really help a guy get into the game.Of course his perceptions could be changes after he gets pussy,and after that he can decide for himself how women really are.

And another thing i've thought about,the ballance of power has changed,girls are more indipendent now.But what i see,and what many guys say,is that girls can't handle power,they go into selfdestruction when they can do anything.They go after bad boys,they got beaten,make 3 kids,and then go to "nice guys" so they can support them.

Why aren't they more responsible?if they choose bad boys,(reffering to the thug and gangser version) why don't they stick to they're choice?because he is in prison?and now they need Walter,who plays Wow and love action figures to support her?

And here I thought you actually had some potential.

that hurt:P

okey i will get a little personal here.I to am an AFC,and i really believe that many years of TV and social conditioning really fuck you up.It's like the internet,studies have shows that exposure changes the way the brain works.

The truth is i can't feel like the prize,i can't feel like i am important to women,because everything in my life has proven my otherwise.not going into details,but from GF's that dumped me(all the GFs i had where because of luck,that too i know)girls that gave me the WTF look,an abusive and control freak mother who tried,and is trying to control my whole life,not because she wants something good for me,it's because she can do it.I suffer from a psihological condition which makes my even more anti-social,and i have 0 friends.

I know that i'm not to blame for becoming this way,but i am to blame for staying this way.This is why i found the community,to break loose.But it doesen't work,why?maybe because my fucked up level is to high.So i come to the forums and start psihological discussion that wont benefit me in any way,but i feel good about myself,because i am "in the game" this way.Or so i feel.

Yes i stated that maybe if someone would make me belive that men are great,and just by being one i have to rise "and get my birthright" will make me do something.I am saying this because after reading a lot of PUA material,i didn't do nothing.Some times i just atempted to open a girl,and talk to her.Sometimes it worked,i felt my heart pumping,and all these realisations about opening just came to me!How it's easy,how i feel good that i gave her the chance to meet me.Maybe i will open another girl.and then go home,feel like a winner,and after that feeling like little old me again.

Is this whining?hell yes,am I too blame for every challange i didn't beat,every chance i didn't take and every girl that i didn't gave the chance to meet "me".Yes and i know that.

So if Fixers way of thinking can help me make a little progress,than i will do it.And i know i'm selfish and desperate.I try to blame girls that made the wrong choices for me not making none.

As you said,maybe i have potential,but just maybe that's the whole thing i will get.
I know the path,but i don't have the strenght and courage to walk it.What i trully want is to know why!

But one thing i know for sure,i will only get what i want when i will deserve it,that gives me going and doesen't let me to give up.Until i ain't dead,there is a chance,and if i die...well i wont care:P

robizeratul,

What is your psychological condition? Depending on the condition, studying and practicing PU a certain way might actually exacerbate your mental problems.

Whatever you do, don't follow F_I_X_E_R's way of thinking. It will create more problems for you in the long run, especially when it comes to enjoying actual intimacy. I will personally coach you. I was actually going to PM you earlier with details about inviting you to some stuff but decided against it for now because I'm still in the process of creating something. Just sit tight.

Ohohohohooooo!

I was waiting for you Chief, I tought you'd never show up in this thread. So captain "always right" finally decided to come over to spank me. You really fit into the "nice guy" category it suits you well.

Spare me this illusion of equality... Life is not fair and it's not fairly ballanced. One man DOES NOT equal one woman.

" Nothing to fear? Seems to me that you fear the possibility that all people might actually be equal, because that would lead to you being not calm and not at ease with yourself. "

This is not just some belief I've forced into my mind. It's knowledge that was realized after many events in my life. I have zero doubt that Men are better, this "belief" always comes true and gets "reinforced" Never the less, ever since that realization I tasted freedom and my life improved, I got more respect because I no longer bent to people's expectations from me. I no longer worried that I must have something in order to prove myself worthy, I realized that all I need is already in me.

So yeah, I think my "castle" is built on solid rock.

I don't feel fear, neither pride, neither anger and wut not... I'm simply calm and I know that everything is all right, I know that a woman cannot affect me unless I let her do it by baiting me to"come out of my castle"

" Most people are good with good intentions. You will disagree with this statement because you were hurt during that vital stage of development when you were supposed to learn this. You have convinced yourself that women don't have good intentions. That's common; know that there is still hope for rehabilitation for you. "

Seriously, you're treating me like some idiot, knock it off... "I know you can be saved"

*fixer spits on the ground from disgust*

You think that most people have good intentions? Man, you can never know for certain... I got shocked when I realized how good are women at faking being nice and pretending to like you... I got blown away by this realization alone... That's why they are usually placed on positions like waitresses, secretaries, cashiers, etc etc etc you get the drill... You think that she is nice and might actually like you? Think again, you can't afford to be naive. They can do it while they don't mean it.

Do you even dare to find out what women talk about when they gather in the "ladies room" ? It just might be the exact opposite of what you expect...

Yours is the castle that is built on sand. I know that the truth hurts, but things are such.

You get the girl by building surface level compliance and this is usually all you need. You don't know what the fuck she's really thinking of you, but neither can she. Just make sure you control your emotions so that "she may feel what you feel"

The only person you can trust... is yourself... a man who has integrity and stability...

"Being the prize" isn't a frame that requires you to believe that you're better than anybody else. I could explain how you can still frame yourself as the "prize" without any of this value nonsense but that's going a bit off-topic. The real frame that needs addressing here is something deeper. It's your hate for women vs. our love for women. "

Indeed it is.

Regarding the rest of the post, you made it too personal... Keep your assumptions to yourself...

Bla bla bla bla Fixer you have insecurities, bla bla bla bla you're hurt, get help, bla bla bla

Repeat...

Oh yeah I got really hurt... a trauma that will last for a lifetime... Pff, yea right. For some odd reason I've probably had it better than most guys.


" As a man, can YOU live without women? Perhaps, but damn that would suck, huh? "

Well technically yes.

But let's reverse the table. If you're a woman and there are absolutely no men around, you'd be dealing with insanity and after a few weeks suicidal thoughts...

And somewhere you mentioned my mom... Dude seriously...

Anyway, did you know that guys who have been born fatherless achieve much less in life than their normal brethren? That's how good are women at parenting, they tolerate their sons' major failures and laugh them off.

Insecurity is not cute.

This is what fathers are for, to piss you off, so that when you go out there you'd kick ass.


Look guys, I'm willing to simply forget all this, because your bashing is a product of manipulation. Just admit that all us guys here are better than women and WE ALL WIN.

You are all men dammit! You guys are better than women, you have all the power, EMBRACE IT. It feels soo fucking good I guarantee you that, with all my hearth.

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