You think subtle jealousy plot lines + dancing with her friends first/gaming them + Multi. lvl communication would do the trick? What about doing push pull involving the FriendZone (ex: going in for a kiss, then giving her the cheek and saying "Now now, were only friends remember )

Get laid first, a LOT, then start getting picky. That is probably the best advice you are going to hear on this topic.

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Slight update: I went to the cafe this last Sunday and ran into one of her dance-partner orbiter friends. I talked with him for a bit (# of sets in the club was dwindling fast and I needed a break) and I found out that he has never heard of any sort of boyfriend in my targets life, despite knowing her for almost a year previously. He also stated that he was FriendZoned by this girl. I told him that he should find out as much info as possible about her "boyfriend" so that he could "know his enemy.'

Based on this and other things, I think that this "Boyfriend" is a fiction. Do I still need to run boyfriend destroyers on this fictional boyfriend? I'd rather not actively undermine a real relationship if it is there.

Girls OFTEN say they have a boyfriend as an easier way to let a guy down, as opposed to "Sorry, I am not attracted to you".

In this way, they presume that the guy feels like well its cool, she still likes me, but she has a boyfriend etc so we know nothing can happen. When in fact, you go off and post on a forum asking for boyfriend destroyers for this imaginary guy.

I know that you are here to improve, and clearly you have read a lot of material, but dude without real life experience of JUST SARGING you will never know this stuff for real.

You have to go out, with a wing or by yourself, night after night after night after night. You will never increase your game by posting on here WITHOUT accompanying practical experience.

This area is valuable for guys who are already going out, already meeting new people every day. For those sitting at home in their comfy chairs and never going out, it is mental masturbation, and self delusion.

You choose which type of guy you want to be. Every day. In every decision you make, you should start to ask yourself "is this bringing me closer to my goals, or is this a self defeating action?"

You choose.

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I have gone out a lot more, even since the start of this topic, so your advice rings true.

In any case I have a pretty good plan to get out of the FriendZone™. I have already broken all forms of contact with her, I am pursuing other women,(both in the club we frequent and outside) I now just need to make her aware of such pursuits in a subtle manner.

After I get indications that I am out of the FriendZone with her, I will escalate as QUICKLY and SMOOTHLY as possible.

With that in mind:

1)How do I tell when I am out of the FriendZone™ with her?

2)When I am out of the FriendZone™, what should I do if she rejects my escalation?

Good questions freedom.

Basically, you are not to "make her aware" of anything at-fucking-all.

As you have success with women, she will become aware of it if you frequent the same social circles.

Me and my friends have a saying, when you go to the club "she sees you, you dont see her".

What that means is, if there is a girl you have been texting/talking to/know from before who is in the club, you almost ignore her, until she approaches you. No furtive glances, no checking her out, no making it obvious.

In terms of indicators of being out of the friendzone, the indicators are that she flirts with you like any guy she has just met and wants to fuck - the classic IOIs, plus if she knows you a little better she might randomly text you asking to hang out etc - if i were you id flake on her at least once....before you do meet up again.

If you are out of the friendzone, i.e. turning her on, attracting her etc, why would she reject your advances?

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Well first off I would like to thank everyone for their advice on the situation, but unfortunately things have turned waaaay south.

You guys were right about escalation. Going back to our second day2, I had a perfect opportunity to go for the Kclose, but didn't take the chance because I didn't know how to handle a rejection from a proper kclose. Ill be making a post about it in the Closing & Day2 Section.

I decided to continue to not talk to her at all through the remainder of last week. I then saw her at the cafe that we both frequent 2 days ago. I ignored her and danced with other women there, even running game on a women that had shown up there that I had known previously but hadn't seen for some time. I introduced this old friend to my target, holding her hand as if we were a committed couple. I danced with a few more girls, then saw that she was alone and decided to go and talk to her. I asked her how she had been, she tells me about her job..ect. She then mentions her boyfriend, I change the subject as quickly as possible. I tell her about how me and my roommate went out to the club that weekend. I showed her some pictures we took, and I described the women in the club as sexy, in order to get some jealousy/the-guy-you-friendzoned-is-a-sexual-being thoughts in her head.

She started to use dominant body language (I think?) One hand on hip, arm makes triangle shape with hip,legs about shoulder length apart. I counter by putting my foot onto a step Captain-Morgan style,she stops dominant body language.

I then, to seem not needy, excuse myself to "go call a friend". I should have asked her to dance.

Anyways I think I dance with two other girls, and then proceed towards my target to ask her to dance. The first time, while I was a ways off, another guy that was dancing with her might have seen me and drags her to another side of the room away from me. I try again a short time later when she is watching her friends do some experimental dance move. I motion for her and I to hit the dance floor, she hesitates, then agrees.

A little background info on how this cafe works: You find a partner, dance with them for the duration of a song, and then either find a new partner, dance again, or talk with the current partner. I think in the year or so I have gone here (off and on) I have had ONE girl leave in the middle of a dance.

This is what gets me. Less then a minute into the song, she STOPS dancing with me, looks over at her friends experimenting with this other dance move, and leaves me to try and help them out. I stand there with all of them for about a minute, thinking "If she doesn't get back to dancing with me in 30 mins, I'm leaving"

All of a sudden it came at me like a ton of bricks. If I am the prize, what the hell does she think she is doing abruptly ending the dance with me like that to go mess around with her friends? She couldn't wait 2-3 minutes for the song to end?!?!??? I then decided I DONT NEED THIS SHIT:evil: and abruptly left.

I think I heard a "Freedom? Freedom!! Wait!!!" behind me as I left, but I made it up in my mind that unless this girl tackled me, I would not stop or re-enter that club.

She hasn't called and I sure as hell don't want to talk to her after the disrespect that she gave me. I forgive her, but it sure as shit isn't ok that she would stop a dance like that, even if we are just "friends".

As far as I am concerned right now, I don't plan on interacting with this girl for an EXTENDED period of time. Unless one of you has something else that could miraculously turn this around, the mission is over .

Dude....did you actually follow any of the advice that anyone gave you? Like actually follow it?

Im starting to think you are almost trolling with halfway believable stories just to get a response - most guys have pulled out of this thread ages ago but I'm still here trying to help your ass out!

Ok so a girl left while dancing with you. Big deal. Why would you storm out like some little emotional bitch? Its clear she was affecting your state...why not just find another girl to dance with until she comes back? It would create the same result of boundaries, being the prize etc while actually allowing the situation to still progress.

And this brings me to my point which is to go and read a what I posted a couple posts above^^^

Get laid A LOT, then get picky.

By the way you are allowing this girl to affect you emotionally AND YOU HAVENT EVEN KISSED HER, it is clear that your mindset is way off track for any PUA theories or gambits to be applied correctly anyways - to use PUA effectively, you must already have a level of emotional stability and social awareness.

So what should you do if you dont have this?

Find people who do - hang out with them.
GO OUT to events and clubs as often as you can...talk to everyone!

Just do it man....otherwise that emotional tension will just keep rising, and affecting the way you are making decisions in lots of different areas.

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At that point in the night, the club had thinned out to the point where there were no available sets left. I had a hard enough time preserving the value that I had. (on the plus side,I was talking to some guys and one of them asked if I was the owner of the club ) I was really just irked at this girls rudeness, and I didn't have much of a choice at that moment either. It was leave the club, or be standing around alone. You are right though, I should have asked another girl to dance instead. Would have demonstrated more of the qualities I wanted to demonstrate.

I probably should have made this more clear, I have been going out a lot more then in the past, and I am already seeing the benefits (I'll post some FR's later).

What to do next?I'll just pick myself back up, keep going out more, go game the many other women in my area, and just keep working the kinks out. I'll keep things friendly between me and this girl. I'm going to let things simmer down and see if she ends up breaking up with this boyfriend before I even think about re-approaching her.

This.

You acted like a reactive whiny bitch which is super unattractive and shows her that you care WAAAAY too much about what she thinks of you and that you crave validation and acceptance from her. If you are the prize then you shouldn't give two shits what she does, you just do what the fuck you wanna do, and if she gives you IOIs or compliance you reward her, and if not then you find someone else who will.

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Yeah looking back I definitely fucked up on that one. I'm thinking distance myself, game other women, and then re-approach if/when her and her BF break up.

OMG thank you for posting this,
on the forehead k-close epic LOL.

Honestly though U have no clue wtf is going on, its like you read some method and then switched everything around and took shit out. its all over the place makes no sense.
NO this shit is toast. You have no chance with her, no reapproach. you are acting very socially off by trying to use these rules but you are using them in the wrong spot.
What switchmaster said, u dont even need to talk to ppl. go to the club and take notes on the guys pulling women. AND reread whatver the fuck you read

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Yeah the more I look at it, the more I see how I messed stuff up and didn't follow the stuff I was studying. I missed some good chances at escalation due to fear of rejection, which basically screwed me over. I also could have jumped on a kick ass day2 opportunity, but that went to hell when I waited to try and network into the other club we were going to instead of just finding a time that would work for her and go.

In any case it was a good run for someone just starting out trying to use stealth attraction. Granted I messed up on this one, but I did get my first successful day2 in 6 years, if you could call it that, and it was with a "HB10" to boot! Anyways I'm going to go back, re-study, go to clubs to practice escalation, start getting women, and then start being picky about which women I keep around. Take all that and add some time in and things with this girl should take care of themselves, if I even remember her after all that transpires.

Again, thanks to everyone for their help!